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« on: November 26, 2015, 01:36:48 AM »

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Hey bros, watsup?   8)

So, just a little discussion I felt like bringing up around Dragon Ball Z.  For those of you who don't know, the manga names of Dragon Ball characters are different than the ones in the anime dub.  For example, as posted as the topic name, in the show he's known as Krillin, but in the manga his name is Kuririn.  I was curious whether you typically use the anime or manga names for the characters, and why?

For me, it's sorta a weird scenario.  I grew up on the manga and didn't even know the characters had other names, so you think I would use the old manga names.  But surprisingly, I've found that now I mainly use the anime dub names.  I believe this is probably the fault of DBZA, honestly, as I got so used to hearing it the dub way, as well as just in general among forums and such.

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But let's be real guys, Tien is Tenshinhan. 

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2015, 02:03:50 AM »

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Well I use Krillin because that's what I knew first . But it doesn't matter which you use because they are pronounced so similar they sound pretty much the same , taking into account that the Japanese language has no use of "L".




As for Tien, I just like calling him Tien .
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2015, 02:11:04 AM »

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I use Kuririn as a force of habit, having been exposed to the series through the manga first and largely discussing it on sites where Japanese terminology was the accepted norm. That said, "Krillin" is just as acceptable because Japanese doesn't have distinct "r" and "l" sounds, so when words are transitioned to or from Japanese, they get twisted around a bit. His name is derived from "kuri" ("chestnut") and "shaolin", so I suppose a more accurate romanization would be "Kurilin"? That's really difficult to pronounce, though. For what it's worth, it's actually spelled different ways on his clothing in the English alphabet, so it is what it is.


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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2015, 02:12:52 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2015, 02:16:09 AM »

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Hey bros, watsup?   8)

So, just a little discussion I felt like bringing up around Dragon Ball Z.  For those of you who don't know, the manga names of Dragon Ball characters are different than the ones in the anime dub.  For example, as posted as the topic name, in the show he's known as Krillin, but in the manga his name is Kuririn.  I was curious whether you typically use the anime or manga names for the characters, and why?

For me, it's sorta a weird scenario.  I grew up on the manga and didn't even know the characters had other names, so you think I would use the old manga names.  But surprisingly, I've found that now I mainly use the anime dub names.  I believe this is probably the fault of DBZA, honestly, as I got so used to hearing it the dub way, as well as just in general among forums and such.

 :peace:

But let's be real guys, Tien is Tenshinhan.

Krillin isn't a terrible translation of Kuririn (even when spelled that way, it's basically pronounced as "Ku-ri-lin"). In fact, it's actually not necessary to say the u, as it's often silent when by itself (having as "uu" would make it mandatory to say; i.e., Goku is actually spelled as Gokuu in Hiragana, although Goku is acceptable translation, since the first u is largely meaningless).

Kudos to growing up with the manga, though! I didn't get into the manga until much later (it was still being released when I was in high school), and was stuck with two censored dubs, until the remastered box sets started coming out (again, while I was in high school), and could finally see it without the awful changes.

And yes, "Tien" is definitely Tenshinhan.


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 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2015, 02:36:08 AM »

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In fact, it's actually not necessary to say the u, as it's often silent when by itself (having as "uu" would make it mandatory to say; i.e., Goku is actually spelled as Gokuu in Hiragana, although Goku is acceptable translation, since the first u is largely meaningless).

This is just flat out not true. The second "u" isn't silent, it's actually a way of writing that the vowel should be extended. It's a bit difficult to explain without having a voice clip of something, but "Goku" isn't pronounced the same way in English dubs as it is in Japanese because of the differences in syllable emphasis. I'm not a linguistics expert, but I'm pretty sure that Japanese just doesn't have any syllable emphasis at all and the "uu" denotes holding the sound of the vowel longer. So it sounds like "GO-ku" in English and "Go-KUU" in Japanese. It's sometimes written with a circumflex ("û") or macron ("ū") to express the difference, or even a "uh" (as in, "Gokuh", and though this is rare for Dragon Ball, this is actually used in the series itself).

This applies to more than just Goku's name. Many of the untranslated Japanese words in the series have this going on (ex. "Daimaou", "Ouzaru", "Makankosappou"). You also see this translation convention crop up in a lot of other series that do the same thing. Do you write Ryu's fireball "hadoken" or "hadouken"? What about "hadōken"? There's no consistent, agreed upon way of writing it, and it's often left out in romanization anyway.


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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2015, 02:39:38 AM »

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I first used Krillin as I had seen DBZ Kai (censored) first.  Right as Krillin died, so the first thing I was his name.  Then I read the DragonBall Manga and saw his original name and they kinda merged into Kurillin.  I also tend to use anime Tien's name since it's just shorter and really just a glorified nickname.

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i think that kuririn is japanese dub and krillin is the eng dub version of it kinda sounds the same though just different spelling

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2015, 02:50:31 AM »

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Krillin isn't a terrible translation of Kuririn (even when spelled that way, it's basically pronounced as "Ku-ri-lin"). In fact, it's actually not necessary to say the u, as it's often silent when by itself (having as "uu" would make it mandatory to say; i.e., Goku is actually spelled as Gokuu in Hiragana, although Goku is acceptable translation, since the first u is largely meaningless).

Kudos to growing up with the manga, though! I didn't get into the manga until much later (it was still being released when I was in high school), and was stuck with two censored dubs, until the remastered box sets started coming out (again, while I was in high school), and could finally see it without the awful changes.

And yes, "Tien" is definitely Tenshinhan.

I don't really think there's a "superior" version of the names, I was more just curious what everyone used. 

And yeah, I grew up with the manga.  Actually, I didn't even know anime existed until a few years back, before all I watched were American cartoons or movies.  I ran across manga when I was 10 or 11 in some library, and grew to love it very quickly.  I don't remember exactly when or why I picked up Dragon Ball for the first time, but I ordered the whole series through an online library service, and read through both Dragon Ball and Z multiple times.  I never saw any of the the Dragon Ball Z dubs or subs, nor any of the movies.  Battle of Gods was actually the first time I ever saw Dragon Ball Z on a tv.   
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 03:17:38 AM »

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My story is quite different. I watched the anime in Latinamerican dubs and those dubs name characters based on their Japanese names. Krillin did keep his English name for some odd reason; but Piccolo is pronounced and written "Piccoro", Goku is emphasized like Kiyza mentioned (go-KU, just one U though). Tien is Tienshinhan, pronounced like Tenshinhan (yeah, the first I was removed from pronunciation only) although I call him Tien for short.

Some characters did get some weird Latinamerican-only translations. Frieza (or Freeza or Furiza) is called Freezer.

Attacks also keep their Japanese names with only a few typing changes: Genkidama, Makakonsapou (I basically just smashed my keyboard there since I don't know how to spell that), Taiyoken (don't know how to do the weird line on top of the O), Kienzan (although it was called Destructor Disk in Spanish on a few occasions), etc.

About what I use... It's hard to say. When I'm talking about it in English, I tend to use the FUNImation names but if I'm talking in Spanish, I use the whatever-compani-did-the-Latinamerican-dubs' name.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2015, 03:24:09 AM »

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This is just flat out not true. The second "u" isn't silent, it's actually a way of writing that the vowel should be extended. It's a bit difficult to explain without having a voice clip of something, but "Goku" isn't pronounced the same way in English dubs as it is in Japanese because of the differences in syllable emphasis. I'm not a linguistics expert, but I'm pretty sure that Japanese just doesn't have any syllable emphasis at all and the "uu" denotes holding the sound of the vowel longer. So it sounds like "GO-ku" in English and "Go-KUU" in Japanese. It's sometimes written with a circumflex ("û") or macron ("ū") to express the difference, or even a "uh" (as in, "Gokuh", and though this is rare for Dragon Ball, this is actually used in the series itself).

This applies to more than just Goku's name. Many of the untranslated Japanese words in the series have this going on (ex. "Daimaou", "Ouzaru", "Makankosappou"). You also see this translation convention crop up in a lot of other series that do the same thing. Do you write Ryu's fireball "hadoken" or "hadouken"? What about "hadōken"? There's no consistent, agreed upon way of writing it, and it's often left out in romanization anyway.
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Second, I said the FIRST u is often silent. For instance the name "Sasuke" is pronounced sauce-kay. The singular u is silent.

Also, isn't it "Oozaru" in Japanese?

I only used Goku's name as an example. And honestly, I've never heard the elongated "Kuu", outside of the Ocean dub of the first three movies. I've never really heard it in the Japanese version, although many people swear by it.
And yes, the "supportive" u can be expressed in different ways.

There's also stuff like Piccolo's name in Japanese, which has an extra letter in it, to represent repetition of the next letter (seeing as how there's no standalone letters outside of vowels and n).

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I first used Krillin as I had seen DBZ Kai (censored) first.  Right as Krillin died, so the first thing I was his name.  Then I read the DragonBall Manga and saw his original name and they kinda merged into Kurillin.  I also tend to use anime Tien's name since it's just shorter and really just a glorified nickname.
Tenshinhan already had a nickname. "Ten."
And it doesn't help when FUNI tried to pass it off as "Shinhan" being his last name, even though that directly contradicts the series' lore. In fact, it's made worse by them still doing it that way with Kai, rather than making it true to the source material, despite having changed many other things to be accurate.
But they're so damn schizo, I don't know what goes through their minds 99% of the time.

I don't really think there's a "superior" version of the names, I was more just curious what everyone used. 

And yeah, I grew up with the manga.  Actually, I didn't even know anime existed until a few years back, before all I watched were American cartoons or movies.  I ran across manga when I was 10 or 11 in some library, and grew to love it very quickly.  I don't remember exactly when or why I picked up Dragon Ball for the first time, but I ordered the whole series through an online library service, and read through both Dragon Ball and Z multiple times.  I never saw any of the the Dragon Ball Z dubs or subs, nor any of the movies.  Battle of Gods was actually the first time I ever saw Dragon Ball Z on a tv.   

...That's actually kinda impressive. XD


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First off... NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!
Second, I said the FIRST u is often silent. For instance the name "Sasuke" is pronounced sauce-kay. The singular u is silent.

Actually, the "u" in "Sasuke" isn't silent, it's just said very quickly, so it seems silent. You end up with some truncated vowels in Japanese here and there.

Also, isn't it "Oozaru" in Japanese?

One of the ways to write the "o" extension in particular is using "oo" in place of a circumflex, macron, or "ou". The word is pronounced "oh-za-ru", not "oo-za-ru". The "oo" in English indicates a different sound, so it's not normally used. Ouzaru is usually subject to this because of forces of habit that were established when the online fandom started taking root back before I was even there to witness it. It's also where we get the term "SSj" instead of "SS" for Super Saiyan's abbreviation, to the extent that even people who don't write it "Super Saiya-jin" write it that way. The "ou" in "Ouzaru" is the same "ou" in "Kaiou" and "Daimaou" -- the "ou" is a suffix of prefix meaning something to the effect of "lord" or "king".

There's also stuff like Piccolo's name in Japanese, which has an extra letter in it, to represent repetition of the next letter (seeing as how there's no standalone letters outside of vowels and n).

Are you referring to the way the katakana are written, like ピッコロ where "ッ" is something like an accent/extension of "ピ"? If you are, that's the short explanation to the best of my understanding -- it's just denoting how "ピ" is pronounced, not an extra syllable, so when you pronounce it you get the three-syllable "Pikkoro".


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Actually, the "u" in "Sasuke" isn't silent, it's just said very quickly, so it seems silent. You end up with some truncated vowels in Japanese here and there.

One of the ways to write the "o" extension in particular is using "oo" in place of a circumflex, macron, or "ou". The word is pronounced "oh-za-ru", not "oo-za-ru". The "oo" in English indicates a different sound, so it's not normally used. Ouzaru is usually subject to this because of forces of habit that were established when the online fandom started taking root back before I was even there to witness it. It's also where we get the term "SSj" instead of "SS" for Super Saiyan's abbreviation, to the extent that even people who don't write it "Super Saiya-jin" write it that way. The "ou" in "Ouzaru" is the same "ou" in "Kaiou" and "Daimaou" -- the "ou" is a suffix of prefix meaning something to the effect of "lord" or "king".

Are you referring to the way the katakana are written, like ピッコロ where "ッ" is something like an accent/extension of "ピ"? If you are, that's the short explanation to the best of my understanding -- it's just denoting how "ピ" is pronounced, not an extra syllable, so when you pronounce it you get the three-syllable "Pikkoro".

I'll have to take you at your word, as I've never heard the u pronounced in Sasuke at all, and I'm aware your girlfriend knows some legit Japanese (whereas what little I know was mostly self-taught).

As for stuff like Kaio/Kaiou, etc. I knew about that (as well as pronouncing Oozaru with "oh," hence why I always scream obscenities when watching the dub of Persona 4 the Animation, when it comes to the clown voicing Naoto (she keeps saying Morooka as more-ooka, instead of more-oh-ohka, despite every other VA saying it correctly... which thankfully the cast in the game did as well; and despite popular belief, the VA is not Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, as she would never make such a rookie mistake, and she voices Noriko Kashiwagi, who says it correctly, but I'm getting off-track here...).

Also, you forgot about the hilarity of the misspelling of "Gokou," but that one actually originated in Japan...

And on that last bit, I'm not so sure it references "ピ" as every time Ive seen it, it always doubles the first letter of the following character. For instance "コ" is ko, and yet, I think it's seen as kko (as there's no standalone k in Katakana), with the ッ before it, and is the closest appoximation of cco they can get with their written language.


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And on that last bit, I'm not so sure it references "ピ" as every time Ive seen it, it always doubles the first letter of the following character. For instance "コ" is ko, and yet, I think it's seen as kko (as there's no standalone k in Katakana), with the ッ before it, and is the closest appoximation of cco they can get with their written language.

Oh damn, I think it might have been a different character that's supposed to be extended. Y'see, the problem is, while I do have a girlfriend who knows linguistics, as you mentioned (speaks some measure of Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese), I can't actually read Japanese characters and usually go to her if I need translations. What I pick up is mostly second-hand from her and independent sources criticizing translation errors in some of the works of fiction I enjoy, Dragon Ball included.


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Oh damn, I think it might have been a different character that's supposed to be extended. Y'see, the problem is, while I do have a girlfriend who knows linguistics, as you mentioned (speaks some measure of Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese), I can't actually read Japanese characters and usually go to her if I need translations. What I pick up is mostly second-hand from her and independent sources criticizing translation errors in some of the works of fiction I enjoy, Dragon Ball included.

I can recognize a few characters here and there, although I'm not actually able to read it outright. However, every so often, I do minor translations (using a Hiragana/Katakana chart), so I learned a few things from context.

And I've made mistakes too. My sig actually reads incorrect Katakana (ンイア is N I A, but it should read as ニア Ni A). It was a mistake I made years and years ago on something, but got attached to the typo, and kept it.
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I can recognize a few characters here and there, although I'm not actually able to read it outright. However, every so often, I do minor translations (using a Hiragana/Katakana chart), so I learned a few things from context.

And I've made mistakes too. My sig actually reads incorrect Katakana (ンイア is N I A, but it should read as ニア Ni A). It was a mistake I made years and years ago on something, but got attached to the typo, and kept it.
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Small tsu doubles anything before it .

りっこ rik ko
ばっぽ bap po
ぽっぽ
まっぎ

Which applies to both hira and kata obviously. ( none of these are words or anything that I know of just made up syllables . )

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And I've made mistakes too. My sig actually reads incorrect Katakana (ンイア is N I A, but it should read as ニア Ni A). It was a mistake I made years and years ago on something, but got attached to the typo, and kept it.
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I tend to get these kind of mistakes so that's why I don't usually type in Japanese......... Because I totally know the language.

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I was trying to find some picture to make a "nerd contest" joke but I can't find any good ones. :(
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Kuririn or Krillin?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2015, 05:46:28 PM »

    Offline Luke[Dumke]

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I have enough trouble as it is with English,
I don't need more trouble with other languages.

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Kuririn or Krillin?
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2015, 05:47:34 PM »

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I have enough trouble as it is with English,
I don't need more trouble with other languages.

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