Topic: lord bills vs SSJ4 Goku (Read 5858 times)

SaiyanX · « **on:** January 19, 2014, 04:41:41 AM »

I was looking at this in comic vine and according to them goku wins considering that base to super saiyan is 10x everything ssj1 to ssj2 is 2x then ssj2 to ssj3 is 50x and lastly ssj3 to ssj4 is 1000x everything. what do you think?
oh and i know that there is inconsistency between dbz and dbgt

Kiyza · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2014, 09:16:55 AM »

Quote from: SaiyanX on January 19, 2014, 04:41:41 AM

I was looking at this in comic vine and according to them goku wins considering that base to super saiyan is 10x everything ssj1 to ssj2 is 2x then ssj2 to ssj3 is 50x and lastly ssj3 to ssj4 is 1000x everything. what do you think?

Heads up: ComicVine is a terrible place to get any sort of strength-related information, with the occasional exception of actual scans of American comics, and even then, little of what they about said scans should be taken at face value. It's about Dragon Ball Wiki-level reliable as a general rule, especially when it comes to things that aren't A or B-list superheroes or the poster's hasubando. It's also a bad place to discuss continuity and even though they're pretty neutral about anime/manga and may read it themselves, (most American comic book fans seem to in my experience) they're very intolerant of the fanbase that thing that anime/manga is just objectively superior to American anything, so there are rarely if ever civilized discussions involving things that aren't American superhero comics.

Any information on a strength multiplier for Super Saiyan 4 is naughtyword because there's never been an officially given one. Here's the breakdown for the rest of the strength multipliers:

Ozaru: 10x base
Super Saiyan: 50x base
Super Saiyan 2: 100x base or 2x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 3: 400x base or 4x Super Saiyan 2
Other Intermediate Forms: No given strength multipliers. It's commonly accepted that full-power Super Saiyan is the same strength multiplier as normal Super Saiyan, however, and people can just use it longer.
Golden Ozaru/Super Saiyan 4: Never officially given. Some parts of the fanbase think it's 500x base, though, since that would be Super Saiyan multiplied by Ozaru.
Super Saiyan God: No one knows and there are a lot of various theories about it.

Sport · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2014, 09:22:45 AM »

ssj god apparently is the strongest a saiyan can probably can get as of right now. Now, apparently SSJ God strength is only 40% of Bills.

I doubt SSJ4 is anyway that much stronger.

SSJ GOD wins

Rock · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2014, 09:29:46 AM »

I'm not sure about SSJ4, but here's some interesting stats from Akira Toriyama himself:

In an interview, Akira Toriyama states his own personal belief of the power differences between the Battle of Gods characters.

Super Saiyan God Goku is a "6", Beerus a "10", and Whis a "15".[4]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God

It makes you wonder where the future of Dragon ball is heading. I can't wait to see where they take SSJ God.

Tevin · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:05:22 AM »

Yamcha will destroy all

Takaroku · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:10:50 AM »

Quote from: Tevin on January 19, 2014, 10:05:22 AM

Yamcha will destroy all

Tevin · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:15:42 AM »

Lol that's so frigging funny loool

Trender · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:55:17 AM »

Quote from: Sporty on January 19, 2014, 09:22:45 AM

ssj god apparently is the strongest a saiyan can probably can get as of right now. Now, apparently SSJ God strength is only 40% of Bills.

I doubt SSJ4 is anyway that much stronger.

SSJ GOD wins

But on the movie Whis said Bills was with the 70% of his strengh, and Goku SS God on the cave said he was at 80% and Bills was able to win him at 70% how you know is the 40% of Bills ?

Yaxir · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2014, 11:10:09 AM »

Quote from: Tevin on January 19, 2014, 10:05:22 AM

Yamcha will destroy all

Hahahaha, I'm sure you do!

I like SSJ4, but I think the SSJ God is more powerful.
Although, because Vegeta does not reach the SSJ God, and was able to reach the SSJ4 the SSJ4 is a better option as it can be fused with Goku and become Gogeta SSJ4 the most powerful character of all.

Tomlanji · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2014, 07:35:15 AM »

Quote from: Rock on January 19, 2014, 09:29:46 AM

I'm not sure about SSJ4, but here's some interesting stats from Akira Toriyama himself:

In an interview, Akira Toriyama states his own personal belief of the power differences between the Battle of Gods characters.

Super Saiyan God Goku is a "6", Beerus a "10", and Whis a "15".[4]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God

It makes you wonder where the future of Dragon ball is heading. I can't wait to see where they take SSJ God.

SSJ God 2

Sport · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2014, 07:42:33 AM »

Ace · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2014, 07:45:05 AM »

Omg vegeta bills

Jogeto · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2014, 01:10:58 PM »

Ima lay this out For everybody SSJ4 is stronger and heres why god comes in a few years after majin buu goku is in his prime but gt starts about 7 years after buu and base goku gt is a strong as ssj3 end of z goku so gt ssj goku could beat ssj3 eoz goku then we have ssj4 which has an insane multiplier and we have to toake into account the strength goku has acquired beyond the start of gt so I highly doubt god could take ssj4 with the amount of time and power difference between the different goku's

ps. gt is canon it has been stated by akira toriyama in an interview im not trying to cause any fights and please dont tell me the famous hater quote "it wasnt in the original manga" just because it wasnt in the original manga doesnt mean it isnt canon also there is a manga that was created for dbgt

FreshPrince · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2014, 02:16:37 PM »

Bulma owns. She slapped Bills in face. Her power is beyond the saiyans!

Chadek · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2014, 04:47:58 PM »

Quote from: Tomlanji on January 26, 2014, 07:35:15 AM

SSJ God 2

Vegeta turning into SSJ God 3 while Goku can`t do it. That would be fair

ShihoMiyano · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2014, 10:48:02 PM »

Quote from: Kiyza on January 19, 2014, 09:16:55 AM

Any information on a strength multiplier for Super Saiyan 4 is naughtyword because there's never been an officially given one. Here's the breakdown for the rest of the strength multipliers:

Ozaru: 10x base
Super Saiyan: 50x base
Super Saiyan 2: 100x base or 2x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 3: 400x base or 4x Super Saiyan 2
Other Intermediate Forms: No given strength multipliers. It's commonly accepted that full-power Super Saiyan is the same strength multiplier as normal Super Saiyan, however, and people can just use it longer.
Golden Ozaru/Super Saiyan 4: Never officially given. Some parts of the fanbase think it's 500x base, though, since that would be Super Saiyan multiplied by Ozaru.
Super Saiyan God: No one knows and there are a lot of various theories about it.

Only Ozaru is official, the others are supposed. The guides aren't official

SSJ can be 50, 60, 70 or more, but x50 is a good quantity
SSJ2 = x2 SSJ... I have never agree with this, why? because look like x5 or x10SSJ, SSJDai ni Dankai can be x2 or more easily and Dai san Dankai can be x3 or more..
SSJ3 = x4 SSJ2... Looks ok, but It's incoherent if Gotenks base = SSJ2 and Gotenks SSJ = SSJ3.... then... SSJ3= x50SSJ2 is a bad quantity, but the Buu's sage is incoherent xDDDD

The 1st Goku SSJ4 should be similar Mystic Gohan then

SSJGod>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ4

I prefer the SSJ4's design xDDD

BaffleBlend · « **Reply #16 on:** May 30, 2014, 11:46:08 AM »

I'd say SSJ4 Goku is definitely stronger than SSG Goku. Not for any differences in the forms, but...

He is able to boost his base form to SSG power after the fight with Bills - he even says his base form is stronger than Buu against General Rilldo, if you consider BoG and GT as part of the same timeline.
He's simply older and stronger at that point, especially after having a fully-trained student in Uub.

FireSaiyan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 30, 2014, 03:37:22 PM »

Quote from: Tevin on January 19, 2014, 10:05:22 AM

Yamcha will destroy all

Zellion · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2014, 01:46:07 AM »

Bills by a landslide. It's stated in the movie that God power is pretty much on another plain to normal warriors.

Thats also why they couldn't feel their power.

Also, the issue with SSJ4 is that it's power fluctuates. Sometimes it appears strong and other times it appears stupidly weak.