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« on: June 22, 2015, 05:29:14 AM »

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Is this a good plasma build lvl 70  PVE and PVP?
or what is the feedback on this build?

are human extinction attack and super vanashing ball worth it to use?
cause they have high cd and have cast time.. but they are really strong??

this is the build i had in mind:

http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-50001001100310010002200210310500715146640100041000

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 12:40:32 AM »

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no one who can help me / give me feedback ?

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 12:57:57 AM »

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« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 01:49:20 AM by Raiden »

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 01:38:34 AM »

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decrease cast time passive? and you dont even use a skill with cast time?

isnt that supposed for human extinction attack / black hole beat / super vanashing ball?

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 01:58:20 AM »

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http://dbocom.com/tools/skill-calculator/class=Plasma-Majin/00011021100310010003102210330500115046640100041050/

PvE skills:
1. Genocide Blast (Kid Buu).
2. Rhythmic Trance + Super Rhythmic Trance.

PvP skills:
Electrical Discharge → Shout → Confusing Drumbeat → Intense Rage (RP) → Super Rhythmic Trance + Vanishing Ball (knockdown) → Confusion Dark Beam → Unbreakable Elastic.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 03:11:51 AM »

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Just 2 attacks maxed?

And why stony dark beam 1/2 if u max it you have another "stun"

If you max double whamy ball it have a paralize isnt that worth it?

And homing storm also have knock down.. isnt that easier then vanashing ball?

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 06:03:38 AM »

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If you are going hybrid, in my opinion you can go like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00010021000300010003000200030500715116641104542000

If you want you can move SPs from Vanishing Ball to Burning Rythm, good AoE and a fast animation.
Personally i wouldn't use this build, but I think that it might work pretty good even if it's hybrid.

I would max Double Whammy Ball only if going pure PvP. Yes, your team needs your utility (KDs/Buffs/Debuffs etc.) so the possibility of paralazing a primary target makes this skill very useful, but you will spend SPs on other skills if you are going hybrid.

I can tell you that the reason why Raiden preferred Vanishing Ball is that this second skill is a 6M AoE while Homing Storm is a single target ability.

Even though both hybrid, I think that Raiden's build is more focused to 5v5 Pvp with a bit of PvE while mine is more focused to PvE giving you something for group PvP as well.
I would work on it only once we can play though.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 09:32:32 AM by Casey »

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 06:08:09 AM »
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If you are going hybrid, in my opinion you can go like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00010021000300010003000200030500715116641104542000

If you want you can move SPs from Vanishing Ball to Burning Rythm, good AoE and a fast animation.
Personally i wouldn't use this, but I think that it might work pretty good even if it's hybrid.

I would max Double Whammy Ball only if going pure PvP. Yes, it's a single target skill, still your team needs your utility (KDs/Buffs/Debuffs etc.) so the possibility of paralazing a primary target makes this skill useful, but you will spend SPs on other skills if you are going hybrid.

I can tell you that the reason why Raiden preferred Vanishing Ball is that this second skill is a 6M AoE while Homing Storm is a single target ability.

Even though both hybrid, I think that Raiden's build is more focused to 5V5 Pvp with a bit of PvE, mine is more focused to PvE giving you something for PvP as well.
I would work on it only once we can play though.

Can you remove sp from moves ingame?  :o
                            

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 09:56:13 AM »

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Can you remove sp from moves ingame?  :o
You have probably misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't mention anything like that. But yeah both the two kinds of reset books allowed it in DBO.
Sorry for this short off-topic.

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 08:40:34 PM »

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If you are going hybrid, in my opinion you can go like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00010021000300010003000200030500715116641104542000

If you want you can move SPs from Vanishing Ball to Burning Rythm, good AoE and a fast animation.
Personally i wouldn't use this build, but I think that it might work pretty good even if it's hybrid.

I would max Double Whammy Ball only if going pure PvP. Yes, your team needs your utility (KDs/Buffs/Debuffs etc.) so the possibility of paralazing a primary target makes this skill very useful, but you will spend SPs on other skills if you are going hybrid.

I can tell you that the reason why Raiden preferred Vanishing Ball is that this second skill is a 6M AoE while Homing Storm is a single target ability.

Even though both hybrid, I think that Raiden's build is more focused to 5v5 Pvp with a bit of PvE while mine is more focused to PvE giving you something for group PvP as well.
I would work on it only once we can play though.

how does cast time reduction work?? it says it reduces cast by 10 secs in lvl 1 so why not just leave it there. the longest cast you have is only 4 sec o.O


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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 09:05:32 PM »

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how does cast time reduction work?? it says it reduces cast by 10 secs in lvl 1 so why not just leave it there. the longest cast you have is only 4 sec o.O
It should be 10%, definitely not seconds x)
4 seconds of cast time - 30% = 2.8.

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2015, 12:55:22 AM »

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If you are going hybrid, in my opinion you can go like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00010021000300010003000200030500715116641104542000

If you want you can move SPs from Vanishing Ball to Burning Rythm, good AoE and a fast animation.
Personally i wouldn't use this build, but I think that it might work pretty good even if it's hybrid.

I would max Double Whammy Ball only if going pure PvP. Yes, your team needs your utility (KDs/Buffs/Debuffs etc.) so the possibility of paralazing a primary target makes this skill very useful, but you will spend SPs on other skills if you are going hybrid.

I can tell you that the reason why Raiden preferred Vanishing Ball is that this second skill is a 6M AoE while Homing Storm is a single target ability.

Even though both hybrid, I think that Raiden's build is more focused to 5v5 Pvp with a bit of PvE while mine is more focused to PvE giving you something for group PvP as well.
I would work on it only once we can play though.


Hi Casey,
thanks for helping me!
i still got a few questions and some possible remarks.

why wouldnt you use that build you posted?
and what build are you using on which gameplay

When i look at your build i see you dont have Confusion dark beam. i would like to have that skill (wanna also try 1v1 PVP with plasma)

some questions: Serene Focus is that a helpfull skill? or doenst it really work in the game?

what dus electric discharge exactly do? and how does it work?

Is stony darkbeam usefull (again stunnish skill, but cast time 2 sec. :(  )

i see a lot of builds with the aoe skill: rhythmic trance but if you max it it only has dmg: 320 + 162% it isnt that good or am i looking wrong?

I prefer pvp more, but i wanna be usefull in PVE too to farm for buying stuff to go PVP.

this is build i got in mind now:
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00011021100310010003100210310500115746640100041000

I got 2 skillpoints left, is that a usefull / logic build for my game play?
Where to put the last 2 skillpoints?  Or mayb remove rhythmic trance and add those points to black hole beat?

i dont like i dont have a cool (looking) attack like human extinction / super vanashing / black hole but they have such a long cast time, that i think they aren`t worth it in PVE/PVP  am i right or wrong?? mayb 1 skill (black hole beat is best) for PVE??

is it a waste to put 1 point at human extinction and 1 on super vanashing ball? or in angry explosion + black hole beat.


i hope u can help me a little but

Thanks in advance

Greetz,
Amstel



« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 01:04:47 AM by amstel »

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2015, 02:16:23 AM »

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I didn't put Confusion Dark Beam just because that build was intended to be hybrid, and you have Confusion Drumbeat anyway.
If you are going full PvP, that is a skill to have.

Serene focus: I tried to max it, meh. Leave it at 1.
Electrical Discharge was a strong AoE buff, it does protect you and your team from debuffs, think of some forms of crowd control like paralyze, fear etc.

About Stony Dark Beam, I think it should stay at 1. You can even max it if you ever decide to go full PvP.

Rythmic Trance: max it if focusing on PvP; AoE Damage and fast skill animation. You can leave it at 1 if going PvE.

Your build can work, but why is Homing Storm at 7/7?? Max Burning Rythm instead which has a lower cooldown, less EP usage and higher range.

Black Hole Beat is definitely worth in PvE, but since you are mainly focusing on PvP leave it outside of the build.
And yes, in my opinion it is a waste to get such skills at rank 1 in your build. No cast time reduction, not powerful enough.
As Raiden told you already, in this case, Genocide Blast and Both Rythmic Trance AoEs are your way to PvE.

About the 2 points left, do what you want; Kaio-Ken is fine at 1/3 but you could max it for example.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 10:36:25 PM by Casey »

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2015, 03:15:28 AM »
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the hybrid looks awesome XD
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2015, 04:47:55 AM »

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Why leave rhythmic trance at 1 for pve.. if you farm isnt it easy to have 2 aos (ex. Kid buu).. and why with pvp max it..



And i did add honey storm instead of burning rhytme becuase in stats is is stronger and it have knock down and 1.5x increase if you use it from back side... so in my eyes its a better skills..
It has a longer cooldown but you have buff to decrease it and have the 2 aos.. so have 3 skills in total to kill mobs in pve seems good to me

For pvp i habe a lot of confusion and knock downs and still got 3 decent attacks and got my buffs..

And what would be your opinion on a good pvp build? (So i can compare the builds and learn from it)

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2015, 05:46:21 AM »

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Hello, for hybrid i would go with something like this:
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-50011024100310010003100010330000115146645100041000

PVE
-I don't use GenoBlast because you can't use your skills in KB form + you can do nice dmg with right gear and AoE moves like AngerE, HEA, BHB or use KD against Bosses/groups of mobs + KB is slow, can't dash nor jump so there are some places where you can't use KB :( It is just cool for nuke in CCBD.

-Serene Focus to keep KoK

-For farm, like killing mobs lv 70 in papaya, you just need 1 strong AoE attack, prop jewelry and e.crit dmg% weapons and they die easily.

PVP
-I would like to take out Shout, because... well, your opponents will troll you standing at the edge of the ring...
-And add Double Whammy Ball, if you got nice gear, you could 1 OhKo some decent Humans with crits + paralysis instead of stun, helpful for stop casts.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 05:53:15 AM by chano »

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Because you get better AoEs with a PvE build. For instance, Black Hole Beat was more than enough to oneshot mobs, talking about farming.

Homing Storm has knockdown at rank 1 as well, I would only get it for its bonus. Not to mention that your buff will reduce HS cooldown by 1,05 seconds only and that you get the same bonus on Burning Rythm (about 0,6 seconds).
As I said Burning Rythm has less CD, a higher range and probably a shorter animation (about 2.9s BR - about 3.4s HS)
For the record, with BR you could oneshot some humans, do not worry about its damage.

Two examples of PvP build I can think of:

http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-50001001100310010003100210310500715146640100041000

or

http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00011021100310010003100210330500715146640100041000
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 10:34:37 PM by Casey »

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2015, 07:21:22 AM »

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Last questions bro.. you helped me a lot!
 In pve you want better aoes (human extinction, black hole, super vanish) for exampel but why dont you want them on pvp then? The opponents probably have +10 armor so you need good attack to kill them...


And can you also give me full pve build? So i can see the difference..

Thanks in advance again!!!

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2015, 08:42:24 PM »

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Because you have no time at all to cast them in PvP; try to do that in a group battle and you'll get blown up in a second.
Besides you are not the main DPS of your team, you have to bring utility first: KDs, Stun, Confusion, give buff to teammates, protect them from stuns, fear etc.
This is why Plasma was useful in group PvP.

A full PvE build might be like this:
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-00010021000300110053000200030500115116641104542000

You could even leave Confusing Drumbeat at 1 and max Burning Ryhthm (removing the second point from Vanishing Ball as well), but confusion might come in handy in some dungeons.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 11:00:13 PM by Casey »

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For PvE i would do it like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-03010014000100210050002000030500115141641404540000

I actually had the Kid Buu skills both on lvl 1 back then in DBO on my Plasma but for DBOR i'll use the build i linked. I'll leave Super Vanishing Ball at 2 instead of maxing it out.

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2015, 10:40:33 PM »

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Last questions...
For farming (killing mobs on papaya and get good good stuff frm them you only need good aoe)

But for group pve (cc kraken tmq) what are plasmas role in there? Als aoe dps? Becausw turtle would be better there.. are plasma wanted in those partys and because of why? (Yoy need HEA or BHB?)
Will i get inventations in group pve partys with this build?
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-50001001100310010003100210310500715146640100041000 (its casey 2nd pvp build) i have 2 aoe + kid buu + bufs + confusion +kd

Thanks guys, you are learning me a lot!

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 12:34:34 AM »

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Last questions...
For farming (killing mobs on papaya and get good good stuff frm them you only need good aoe)

But for group pve (cc kraken tmq) what are plasmas role in there? Als aoe dps? Becausw turtle would be better there.. are plasma wanted in those partys and because of why? (Yoy need HEA or BHB?)
Will i get inventations in group pve partys with this build?
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-50001001100310010003100210310500715146640100041000 (its casey 2nd pvp build) i have 2 aoe + kid buu + bufs + confusion +kd

Thanks guys, you are learning me a lot!
For that kind of party pve you need at least 2 strong AoEs or go for KB. With the build i gave you, it got AE, RT and SRT; if you want, take SPs from AE and RT to get any other of the skills that you like more as HEA,SVB or BHB :)

Look at this karma using skills, a plasma should be the same.


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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2015, 02:40:11 AM »

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For PvE i would do it like this: http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class11#Plasma-Majin-03010014000100210050002000030500115141641404540000
You need Unbreakable Elastic, Shout and Electrical Discharge in some dungeons.
Unless you just want to farm.

@amstel Plasma had a hard time finding groups for dungeons in DBO due to speed classes taking over and Turtle being a better AoE dps.
We will see what happens in DBOR after the class rebalancing progress. Theoretically its utility combined with its good AoE skills are the things that should encourage you to play as a Plasma and people to invite you to parties.
And yes I do think that you can get invited with that.

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You need Unbreakable Elastic, Shout and Electrical Discharge in some dungeons.
Unless you just want to farm.

Well....my bad...forgot to mention that it was for Farming :D ...but yea...i used it for farming. Since i'll have a DW (for farming and maybe dungeons) i'll make a plasma for farming too. If i should get bored of DW i could switch to Plasma and use those nice skills to rock the mobs xD

Sooo...my posted build is for PvE-Farming!.
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