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« on: June 19, 2015, 12:04:08 AM »

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Do i have to watch the movie Resurrection F before DBS start?

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2015, 12:20:07 AM »

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supposedly DBS takes place after BOG and before FNF so no.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2015, 01:52:33 AM »

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supposedly DBS takes place after BOG and before FNF so no.

super saiyan god will be in DBS?

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2015, 01:56:46 AM »

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super saiyan god will be in DBS?
Yes, yes it will
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2015, 02:03:36 AM »

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Goku reached a new level of OP, so I honestly think DBS will take more of a 'Dragon Ball' approach in it's tone, more goofy, the humor we like from Dragon Ball.

There will still be big fight scenes and everything, but I can't decide if they will be old threats or new ones, like Dr. Gero in the Android Saga; most likely the villians are ones the Beerus had to deal with, or some order of the gods?

That being said; wasen't it confirmed to be taking place in the 10 year gap? Makes the most sense.
Does this make it a prequel series? lol




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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 02:11:36 AM »

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It sounds like the series starts up near the point of the 2008 special, and continues on through at least past Battle of Gods.


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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 02:14:56 AM »

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It sounds like the series starts up near the point of the 2008 special, and continues on through at least past Battle of Gods.

For it not to go through BOG would be ridiculous. Beerus is supposed to be a regular cast member. Plus, I take it people don't want to see BOG 20 episodesifyed.
And what made you come to this conclusion?




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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 02:21:59 AM »

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For it not to go through BOG would be ridiculous. Beerus is supposed to be a regular cast member. Plus, I take it people don't want to see BOG 20 episodesifyed.
And what made you come to this conclusion?

Because it's stated it begins just after the battle with Buu, and Goku appears in his 2008 costume (the farmer outfit). He and Chichi start out bickering about that in the special, with Goku trying to worm his way out of having to work (in typical "I can feel my self getting weaker!" fashion).
I do hope they just use a flashback to Battle of Gods to fill in people who might not have seen it, and jump right into what comes next, though.

Mind you, I could be wrong on this count. It's just a theory on the subject, and we won't know for a little bit longer.


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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 02:36:42 AM »

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Because it's stated it begins just after the battle with Buu, and Goku appears in his 2008 costume (the farmer outfit). He and Chichi start out bickering about that in the special, with Goku trying to worm his way out of having to work (in typical "I can feel my self getting weaker!" fashion).
I do hope they just use a flashback to Battle of Gods to fill in people who might not have seen it, and jump right into what comes next, though.

Mind you, I could be wrong on this count. It's just a theory on the subject, and we won't know for a little bit longer.

Or maybe BOG can be in 2-3 episodes so we get to know who Beerus is, in the first place. That IS his debuting movie.




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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 03:50:24 PM »

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It sounds like the series starts up near the point of the 2008 special, and continues on through at least past Battle of Gods.

what is 2008 special?

and btw, Resurrection F english dubbed or not yet?

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 04:23:45 PM »

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what is 2008 special?

and btw, Resurrection F english dubbed or not yet?

The 2008 special was called something along the lines of "Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return!"
It was never dubbed, but you can find the subtitled version all over YouTube (from what I remember, Toei actually subbed it themselves, and spread it to the net).
It involved Vegeta's brother, Tarble, arriving on Earth seeking help to defeat two remnant soldiers of Freeza's army.
It was mostly comedy, but it is canon (Tarble is referenced off-hand in Battle of Gods). If you haven't seen it yet, you should track it down for a laugh.

As for the new movie, the dubbed version won't surface until around August most likely (if not later).


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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 05:15:47 PM »

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It sounds like the series starts up near the point of the 2008 special, and continues on through at least past Battle of Gods.

This is essentially what I thought. I mean, they'd be too many inconsistencies for it to be after ROF.

After reading the ROF manga specials, it appeared as though Goku and Vegeta had been interacting with Whis (after BOG) for a while, so the Super storyline would fit in well.


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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2015, 03:02:23 PM »
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Can't wait for the series

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2015, 03:03:45 PM »

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Both are shit so don't even bother.

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2015, 03:30:57 PM »

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Both are shit so don't even bother.



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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2015, 04:04:27 PM »

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Here's your reply
It's adorable how you pass judgement on the quality of that, but worship the FUNImation dub of the original series and Z, and act like it's full of consistent quality.



"Quality."


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It's adorable how you pass judgement on the quality of that, but worship the FUNImation dub of the original series and Z, and act like it's full of consistent quality.



"Quality."
The jokes on you, I didn't watch the DB anime. Also, quit bringing dub wars into this thread, it's irrelevant.

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2015, 04:14:20 PM »

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The jokes on you, I didn't watch the DB anime. Also, quit bringing dub wars into this thread, it's irrelevant.

So is everything you say, but you keep talking.

And my argument is perfectly relevant. You've been complaining about quality and consistency, and the FUNI dub is notorious for lacking both, yet you act like it's the Holy Bible of Dragon Ball.
Not to mention that the original Dragon Ball's dub is generally considered to be of higher "quality" to the Z dub.

How can you scream about one aspect being inconsistent, then kiss the ass of something that's so inconsistent that even that it makes the other look like a shining example of absolute perfect polish?

Why don't you just admit you're doing this to be a hipster contrarion already?


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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2015, 04:44:58 PM »

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I never said the Funimation dub was canonical. I said it's not as bad as you faggots say it is. This whole line of questioning is irrelevant regardless because you're just trying to call me a hypocrite, which wouldn't make my argument invalid.

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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2015, 04:56:51 PM »

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I never said the Funimation dub was canonical. I said it's not as bad as you faggots say it is. This whole line of questioning is irrelevant regardless because you're just trying to call me a hypocrite, which wouldn't make my argument invalid.

This whole line of questioning is entirely relevant. You complain that it's shit writing due to inconsistency. I provided an example of something far more inconsistent and lacking in quality, which I add, you're now defending, and acting like it's not poor quality.

Nobody said anything about canonicity.

Your argument is invalid, as you've proven yourself to be either extremely biased or hating on it for the sake of hate, if not both. You've yet to make any sort of real argument, and the simple fact is, you constantly resort to trying to insult the other party because you have no argument to stand on.

Certainly, I may have some bias toward defending the franchise... however, my argument is that it's ultimately no more inconsistent than it ever was, and is by no means breaking the established "rules" of the series. I can point out said inconsistencies and acknowledge them as dumb issues, but keep in mind, Dragon Ball is not high art, nor meant to be taken seriously.
You complain about one scene in the new movie, and proclaim the entirety of it and the new series to be shit, but when someone counters that or states the same, even in multiple cases, toward something you defend, you immediately jump to action and pretend it has no flaws, even though you never provide any evidence.

Now, why don't you try an actual argument, or just admit that you're a hipster?


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This whole line of questioning is entirely relevant. You complain that it's shit writing due to inconsistency. I provided an example of something far more inconsistent and lacking in quality, which I add, you're now defending, and acting like it's not poor quality.

Nobody said anything about canonicity.

Your argument is invalid, as you've proven yourself to be either extremely biased or hating on it for the sake of hate, if not both. You've yet to make any sort of real argument, and the simple fact is, you constantly resort to trying to insult the other party because you have no argument to stand on.

Certainly, I may have some bias toward defending the franchise... however, my argument is that it's ultimately no more inconsistent than it ever was, and is by no means breaking the established "rules" of the series. I can point out said inconsistencies and acknowledge them as dumb issues, but keep in mind, Dragon Ball is not high art, nor meant to be taken seriously.
You complain about one scene in the new movie, and proclaim the entirety of it and the new series to be shit, but when someone counters that or states the same, even in multiple cases, toward something you defend, you immediately jump to action and pretend it has no flaws, even though you never provide any evidence.

Now, why don't you try an actual argument, or just admit that you're a hipster?
Just because B exists, does not mean A is not a problem.

My initial argument is that Ressurection F sucks because it's inconsistent. You saying that the series is always inconsistent does not disprove my claim nor illegitimize it. Let's pretend that you're right, and the series as a whole is inconsistent, how does that somehow negate my argument, if not help it?

Let's say that Goku getting ohko'd out of SSGSS2 by Frieza's henchman is a joke. How would that not prove to be bad writing considering the tone of the moment directly leading up to the destruction of Earth?

Your "argument" consists of nothing but problematization arguments used to ad hominem me. YYH is not perfect, the last two arcs are shit, the production values are shit, and demon yusuke is retarded.

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Just because B exists, does not mean A is not a problem.

My initial argument is that Ressurection F sucks because it's inconsistent. You saying that the series is always inconsistent does not disprove my claim nor illegitimize it. Let's pretend that you're right, and the series as a whole is inconsistent, how does that somehow negate my argument, if not help it?

Let's say that Goku getting ohko'd out of SSGSS2 by Frieza's henchman is a joke. How would that not prove to be bad writing considering the tone of the moment directly leading up to the destruction of Earth?

Your "argument" consists of nothing but problematization arguments used to ad hominem me. YYH is not perfect, the last two arcs are shit, the production values are shit, and demon yusuke is retarded.

Because you praise one thing despite it's flaws, then whine about a single flaw that's really nothing out of the ordinary for Dragon Ball?
Within the bounds of Dragon Ball, there's plenty of moments where character with lower power took advantage of something like that. If that bothers you, shouldn't the whole "5 minutes until you suffocate out in the vacuum of space" thing drive you utterly bonkers, even though Goku went to the moon as a child?
Didn't Kuririn once accuse Toriyama of photocopying manga Panels, to which Toriyama told his editor that he didn't have to pay him for those pages, right in the middle of a chapter on a normal canon page?
Haven't you been crying about how Goku can sense Ki, but countless character who can do the same got caught off guard countless times, yet somehow you ignore those?

Again, I ask you... why is this inconsistency so bad, yet the countless consistency errors of something like the FUNI dub of DBZ isn't a big deal? You claim those "aren't as bad as they're made out to be," even though these are errors that are completely irrelevant to the scene on screen, and often lose the entire purpose of the series?
Why is Goku proclaiming himself "Hope of the Universe" and "Ally to Justice" to be accepted, even though it couldn't be further from the original intent, but Goku getting OHKO'd by a henchment is such a big deal?
A character getting caught off guard happens countless times throughout the series, but at no point has Son Goku ever been someone who cared about justice or heroics. It may not be golden writing, but can you honestly say it's any worse than the content you constantly defend?

Also, I find it hilarious how you claim ad hominem on me, when you constantly spout out insults every which way, usually without any valid reason. I'm quite certain that you've referred to anyone who disagrees with you as cocksuckers, fanboys, or faggots, if not all three.
In other words:


"I am the bone of my sword
 Steel is my body and fire is my blood
 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2015, 06:03:24 PM »

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Because you praise one thing despite it's flaws, then whine about a single flaw that's really nothing out of the ordinary for Dragon Ball?
Within the bounds of Dragon Ball, there's plenty of moments where character with lower power took advantage of something like that. If that bothers you, shouldn't the whole "5 minutes until you suffocate out in the vacuum of space" thing drive you utterly bonkers, even though Goku went to the moon as a child?
Didn't Kuririn once accuse Toriyama of photocopying manga Panels, to which Toriyama told his editor that he didn't have to pay him for those pages, right in the middle of a chapter on a normal canon page?
Haven't you been crying about how Goku can sense Ki, but countless character who can do the same got caught off guard countless times, yet somehow you ignore those?

Again, I ask you... why is this inconsistency so bad, yet the countless consistency errors of something like the FUNI dub of DBZ isn't a big deal? You claim those "aren't as bad as they're made out to be," even though these are errors that are completely irrelevant to the scene on screen, and often lose the entire purpose of the series?
Why is Goku proclaiming himself "Hope of the Universe" and "Ally to Justice" to be accepted, even though it couldn't be further from the original intent, but Goku getting OHKO'd by a henchment is such a big deal?
A character getting caught off guard happens countless times throughout the series, but at no point has Son Goku ever been someone who cared about justice or heroics. It may not be golden writing, but can you honestly say it's any worse than the content you constantly defend?

Also, I find it hilarious how you claim ad hominem on me, when you constantly spout out insults every which way, usually without any valid reason. I'm quite certain that you've referred to anyone who disagrees with you as cocksuckers, fanboys, or faggots, if not all three.
I don't have to answer any of that because it's irrelevant.

Ressurection F has multiple inconsistencies, and to conclude that the movie is shit/poorly written is a solid conclusion to make. Whether or not I care about other inconsistencies is irrelevant, because it doesn't refute my argument at all.

Also, ad hominem doesn't mean insult, an ad hominem is a substitute for an argument by means of attacking your opponents person, rather than their argument. Me calling you a fanboy or a naughtyword was not replacing my argument, unlike your tu quoque where you implied I was a hypocrite. If I'm guilty of anything, it's trivial banter.

Your argument is essentially, "it's ok because everyone else is doing it"

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I don't have to answer any of that because it's irrelevant.

Ressurection F has multiple inconsistencies, and to conclude that the movie is shit/poorly written is a solid conclusion to make. Whether or not I care about other inconsistencies is irrelevant, because it doesn't refute my argument at all.

Also, ad hominem doesn't mean insult, an ad hominem is a substitute for an argument by means of attacking your opponents person, rather than their argument. Me calling you a fanboy or a naughtyword was not replacing my argument, unlike your tu quoque where you implied I was a hypocrite. If I'm guilty of anything, it's trivial banter.

Your argument is essentially, "it's ok because everyone else is doing it"

> Attacks the person directly.
> Claims it's not an ad hominem
> Proves himself a hypocrite

Every point I made is entirely relevant. At no point did I say "it's okay because everyone else is doing it" nor did I imply as such. Every one of those points is a plot issue or inconsistency that you ignored, simply because it meant you couldn't naughtyword about one part of the plot.

You're making excuses in order to shit on something, in an attempt to get attention. This is something that you've essentially proven. You've done nothing except whine about one point that isn't beyond the bounds of the typical series.

I pointed out various inconsistencies, which you ignored. You go around claiming Toriyama can't write for shit anymore, but you don't want to admit the simple fact that his writing skills were always wonky, be it from plain denial or simple nostalgia. I'm merely pointing out your double standard, which is entirely related to your argument. I merely asked how you can't accept that one issue, but can easily side-step the same issues elsewhere, as well as far worse ones, which you avoided.

In other words, you don't want to answer because you can't without ultimately admitting that your argument held no water. You can claim it as an ad hominem all you like, but every point was about the inconsistencies of the content of the series, and that such a thing hardly ruins the new movie, as it's something that's always been there.
The fact that I get to point out your hypocrisy in the process is nothing more that frosting on the cake.

You most certainly are guilty of hypocrisy, and you most certainly are guilty of ad hominems. You have no argument beyond "I'm gonna naughtyword about one thing, and anyone who disagrees with me is a fanboy."

My argument is essentially "Your entire argument holds no water due to the fact that you're ignoring various other instances that are just as bad if not worse."

So, once more... how is this one issue any worse than anything else the series has done?


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 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."