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« on: May 17, 2015, 06:36:16 PM »

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Hi guys!  How's it going? Hope everyone is still anxiously waiting to play!

So @chano I read what you wrote in the previous post  and it definitely made me debate how sure I was about making a chef.

So originally I wanted to go chef because one no one uses it so it made me really curious to try them.  They have more battle oriented buffs instead of the popular survival buffs Ults give.  They have strong AoE skills so it seemed farming should be a possible. And with the future balancing chefs could be back in the game since Ults' stalling strategy didn't seem fun to me.

But then I read this lol

Spoiler for Hidden:
If you are asking for something like
Phy Attack: 464
Phy Attack: 200%
Obviously idk, but i had SFB maxed, with the normal (i mean not the bacterian nor cc gloves) gloves lv70 +8 i dealt 1200-1700 per hit to each lv 70 papaya's mob. In 6-7 seconds the 10-20 mobs that were around me were death.
I'd maxed this skill just to spam it with its RP reduce CD. This way you can farm better than any other class. <3
About the first spinning, it just helps you to lv. At lv 70 it is not necessary
No. Really, it is not good for CC :(. It don't do enough dmg there... Also you can't do anything while you're spinning (it locks your skills) and you get a little stun of 2-5 seconds when the spinning ends. You help a lot more your team if you cure/heal/buff them.
If you want to do dmg in CC go for KidBuu and Genocide Blast!, get some Phy Crit Dmg% and maybe some Dex stuff (to get phy crit rate) and you can do same or even more dmg than turtles.  :cheeky:

Other nice skill for CC is Double Cluster Bombs, maxed it can decrease 209% attack speed, use this against bosses (get Focus, and i don't remember if you have to get some success rate too), this skill is works like a "stun" if you use it against mobs  ;) And if you have Skill Duration Up in your build, this stun will last like 16 seconds.... beautiful xP
*It is not a "stun", but the mob will attack just a few times till the duration ends.

So now I'm thinking about my choice to make a chef. Lol. Because it seems like Ults are more welcomed in parties so that means #ForEverAlone lol.  And they can still do good damage and farm.  So...  I was hoping someone could tell me a bit more about chefs and if they are worth making at all.  I plan to pve and mess around in platform and essentually work my way into pvp (no experience what so ever lol).

Any tip by anyone will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks have a great day!


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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2015, 06:47:57 PM »

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Hey don't worry. Do non forget that classes are going to be rebalanced; choose the one you like, we play to have fun after all, don't we?
And you've pretty much answered yourself in your post.
So if you want to play as a Chef Majin, go for it!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 09:03:19 PM by Casey »

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It's really a toss up because both are pretty balanced and very similar I say pick which ever you like better you can't really go wrong anyway.
MarineCorps are recruting especially for majins and nameks

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2015, 10:53:57 PM »
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Hi guys!  How's it going? Hope everyone is still anxiously waiting to play!

So @chano I read what you wrote in the previous post  and it definitely made me debate how sure I was about making a chef.

So originally I wanted to go chef because one no one uses it so it made me really curious to try them.  They have more battle oriented buffs instead of the popular survival buffs Ults give.  They have strong AoE skills so it seemed farming should be a possible. And with the future balancing chefs could be back in the game since Ults' stalling strategy didn't seem fun to me.

But then I read this lol

Spoiler for Hidden:

So now I'm thinking about my choice to make a chef. Lol. Because it seems like Ults are more welcomed in parties so that means #ForEverAlone lol.  And they can still do good damage and farm.  So...  I was hoping someone could tell me a bit more about chefs and if they are worth making at all.  I plan to pve and mess around in platform and essentually work my way into pvp (no experience what so ever lol).

Any tip by anyone will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks have a great day!

I tape-worm a cook and it was extracting with the small donkey 8.000 and with the great donkey 11.000, ami what me lacking mas appraises of success (area) and to put on the skill of increasing the hit, which in the construction two exist. :). @drfever01 for you. ;)


   increases phisical critical hit rate + increases hit rate +strength , more passive increases strength(skills in red)

P.D: To be equipped with focus and defense in clothes. In gloves I criticize  in weapon criticize ., And to be equipped with jewels, with reflection, force and focus
« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 11:22:55 PM by MajinMusic »

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2015, 12:47:02 AM »

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I tape-worm a cook and it was extracting with the small donkey 8.000 and with the great donkey 11.000, ami what me lacking mas appraises of success (area) and to put on the skill of increasing the hit, which in the construction two exist. :). @drfever01 for you. ;)


   increases phisical critical hit rate + increases hit rate +strength , more passive increases strength(skills in red)

P.D: To be equipped with focus and defense in clothes. In gloves I criticize  in weapon criticize ., And to be equipped with jewels, with reflection, force and focus

Hablas español?  La traducción me tomo un segundo para entender lo que decías xD pero reconocí pslabras por eso me imagine que hablas español? Lol
Quick question though. I though properties buff was necessary,  and that buff that gives strength and soul didn't increase by much because one strength only gave one point to damage?  So things like dex or focus was better to train


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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 01:50:23 AM »

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Hello @drfever01! I'll tell you some things.. :)
For farming:
Ultis, as i said, their fire spin its awesome for farm, also their buffs. With EP%(just 1/3) you can forget about buying ep potions cuz this skill its enough to mantain full your EP. And you don't need LP potions cuz of your heal skill.

Cheff, as @MajinMusic tried to said <.<, they have their Donkey Slashes, this are the SKILLS, and do a loooot of dmg!! You can kill mobs (in almost the same time, cuz animations and cast times) as good as the Ultimates. This class lacks of EP% skill, but that is not a problem if you get some in dogis or armor/pants ^^ Also you can heal yourself so you don't need potions for farm!

As for dmg, like for party/tmq/cc/such...
Ultimates, as i said, their spin it is not good, The people wants you for your 21%LP, 18 props, and states/curses cures...
Your dmg comes from KB, out of KB you gonna be a full support class.

For Cheff, your Donkey Slashes are awesome, if you are well equipped you can get really nice dmg! Also you can go KB and nuke everything like Ultis. As for buffs you have 14 props, you can get some state cures, All the CON that you get with 23%CON and Defense Breath can be a replacement for 21%LP and Miraculous Cheering (really nice skills :3) 
Also Transformation Ball works the same as Fire Spinning.

Here i leave you PVE builds for Ulti and Cheff
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class9#Ultimate-Majin-0100301210021001110111006102032000005000150513004331501100
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class10#Grand-Chef-Majin-01003001100120001100110001023020300050014257110051001133302

No se vos, pero para mi las builds de Majin son terribles.
1-Cluster Bomb no te ayuda para nada en PVE, es una tecnica 1v1 y de energia cuando te estas enfocando en fisico... es solo para PVP
2-Ball Tranformation no te ayuda en nada en las ultimas TMQ/UD/CC. Ademas de que no te deja hacer nada mientras esta activo y te paraliza cuando se termina.
3-Evade Up... en serio?... No te ayuda ni contra las ardillas lv1 xP Esa skill solo es buena para el Kid Budokai y ser intocable ;).
4-Curing Scent is a MUST tenerlo 2/2. Sin comentarios.
5-Defense Up, Reduce 20% el daño que recibis cuando te atacan solo con puños. No sirve ya que necesitas toneladas de es esto para que haga efecto de vez en cuando... Yo hice la prueba con mas de 2000 defense rate y me puse el buff de crane de 104%, 1 de cada 10 ataques hacia efecto... una cagada. Es un desperdicio de SPs por una miseria de puntos. Ni te esfuerces en conseguir de esto, en PVP todos usan skills, ya no sirve ahi, y en PVE te conviene conseguir Propiedades que son muchisimo mas efectivas para reducir el daño.
6-Y en cuanto al Strenght, es totalmente inservible ya que te conviene invertir los SPs en otras skills, para el daño mejor mejora los guantes y el choclo xP


« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 02:10:39 AM by chano »

...it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward...

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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015, 05:33:53 AM »

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Hello @drfever01! I'll tell you some things.. :)
For farming:
Ultis, as i said, their fire spin its awesome for farm, also their buffs. With EP%(just 1/3) you can forget about buying ep potions cuz this skill its enough to mantain full your EP. And you don't need LP potions cuz of your heal skill.

Cheff, as @MajinMusic tried to said <.<, they have their Donkey Slashes, this are the SKILLS, and do a loooot of dmg!! You can kill mobs (in almost the same time, cuz animations and cast times) as good as the Ultimates. This class lacks of EP% skill, but that is not a problem if you get some in dogis or armor/pants ^^ Also you can heal yourself so you don't need potions for farm!

As for dmg, like for party/tmq/cc/such...
Ultimates, as i said, their spin it is not good, The people wants you for your 21%LP, 18 props, and states/curses cures...
Your dmg comes from KB, out of KB you gonna be a full support class.

For Cheff, your Donkey Slashes are awesome, if you are well equipped you can get really nice dmg! Also you can go KB and nuke everything like Ultis. As for buffs you have 14 props, you can get some state cures, All the CON that you get with 23%CON and Defense Breath can be a replacement for 21%LP and Miraculous Cheering (really nice skills :3) 
Also Transformation Ball works the same as Fire Spinning.

Here i leave you PVE builds for Ulti and Cheff
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class9#Ultimate-Majin-0100301210021001110111006102032000005000150513004331501100
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class10#Grand-Chef-Majin-01003001100120001100110001023020300050014257110051001133302

No se vos, pero para mi las builds de Majin son terribles.
1-Cluster Bomb no te ayuda para nada en PVE, es una tecnica 1v1 y de energia cuando te estas enfocando en fisico... es solo para PVP
2-Ball Tranformation no te ayuda en nada en las ultimas TMQ/UD/CC. Ademas de que no te deja hacer nada mientras esta activo y te paraliza cuando se termina.
3-Evade Up... en serio?... No te ayuda ni contra las ardillas lv1 xP Esa skill solo es buena para el Kid Budokai y ser intocable ;).
4-Curing Scent is a MUST tenerlo 2/2. Sin comentarios.
5-Defense Up, Reduce 20% el daño que recibis cuando te atacan solo con puños. No sirve ya que necesitas toneladas de es esto para que haga efecto de vez en cuando... Yo hice la prueba con mas de 2000 defense rate y me puse el buff de crane de 104%, 1 de cada 10 ataques hacia efecto... una cagada. Es un desperdicio de SPs por una miseria de puntos. Ni te esfuerces en conseguir de esto, en PVP todos usan skills, ya no sirve ahi, y en PVE te conviene conseguir Propiedades que son muchisimo mas efectivas para reducir el daño.
6-Y en cuanto al Strenght, es totalmente inservible ya que te conviene invertir los SPs en otras skills, para el daño mejor mejora los guantes y el choclo xP

OK I think chef will be a fun class then lol

Else buff de EP es para que tengamos mas ep? El de hardening breeze? 
Y no es necesario coger el skill que da skill duration?
Y para que coger el energy  crit si chef no usa? Para el party? Y espiritual resistance y defense breeze no son necesario?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 05:38:56 AM by drfever01 »


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OK I think chef will be a fun class then lol

Ese buff de EP es para que tengamos mas ep? El de hardening breeze? 
Y no es necesario coger el skill que da skill duration?
Y para que coger el energy  crit si chef no usa? Para el party? Y espiritual resistance y defense breeze no son necesario?
El buff the EP%? se le dice EP regen% (o mas corto EP%) es un regenerador por asi decirlo, que dependiendo del daño que recibas recuperas en este caso EP. Es de los Ultis nomas!
Supone que tenes 10% de EP regen, te pegan un golpe de 1000 de daño-> Recuperas 100 EP automaticamente.
Lo mismo con el LP%, tenes 20% de LP%, te pegan 1000-> Recuperas 200 LP.
Tambien lo podes encontrar en dogis, armaduras y pantalones.

el hardening breeze, te da CON (mas LP o vida) y defensa fisica.

El Skill Duration Up, incrementa el tiempo de los buffs o debuffs, con la build que hice no lo veo muy necesario. Porque los buffs duran 20 minutos, no hay ningun problema en recargar los buffs cada 20 minutos. Y la unica skill que queda es el Rayo Caramelo que ya dura 12 segundos, para mi no es negocio gastar 3 SPs para aumentarle solo 3 segundos a esta sola skill, ademas de que hay muchos Bosses en el juego que son inmunes a hacerse chocolate.
Para la skill que si me parece que es negocio tener el SDU es para el Doube Cluster Bomb, que es casi un stun que se lo podes mantener casi constantemente a los bosses. Si queres podes conseguir equipo CD (para reducir el tiempo en que se recarga la skill) para reemplazar el SDU... en vez de aumentar la duracion del debuff, reducis el tiempo en que se recarga la skill.

El energy Crit rate exactamente es para el party, ayudar a tortugas, karmas, plasmas, etc.

El defense breeze se borra automaticamente cuando usas Defense Breath (porque esta es una version mejorada y da mas vida) por eso no es necesario.
Y el Spiritual Resistance si es bueno tenerlo, si podes mejorarlo mejoralo, pero en PVE no es de mucha importancia para el cheff. Los ulti tienen el buff de 300% que lo potencia y por eso son casi inmunes a todo, pero el cheff no. Para PVP si trata de mejorarlo.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 06:34:41 AM by chano »

...it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward...

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in spanish @chano ¿ que habilidades le pondrias al cheff?¿no sirve el cluster bomba?

 
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 06:56:29 AM by MajinMusic »

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in spanish @chano ¿ que habilidades le pondrias al cheff?¿no sirve el cluster bomba? yo antes utilizaba esta:

   http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class10#Grand-Chef-Majin-01003000100020000100010000003001002050034147114653001103302

question: que le pondrias? y ¿que le quitarias?What would you put? And what would you take from him? To this construction(build)
Para PVP el cluster si es bueno.
Pero en PVE no, te conviene el Doble Cluster para relentizar bosses o el hyper Bomb, para bajar 40% el ataque de bosses :D

O asi es como iria:
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class10#Grand-Chef-Majin-01003001100120001100110001023020300050014257110051001133302

Edit: Queres para PVP o para PVE?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 06:59:33 AM by chano »

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 I would put two points,in the breeze regeneration  ;), in level one this skill only one ally is the 600-700 ep recovery in level two is more.only for ally
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 07:18:01 AM by MajinMusic »

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I would put two points,in the breeze regeneration  ;)
Regeneration Breeze? to heal EP? 1/3 its ok.
Dendes will take care of your EP, so you don't have the need of this skill ;)

...it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward...

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Here i leave you PVE builds for Ulti and Cheff
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class9#Ultimate-Majin-0100301210021001110111006102032000005000150513004331501100
http://dborevelations.com/forums/index.php?action=skillcalc_class10#Grand-Chef-Majin-01003001100120001100110001023020300050014257110051001133302

¿Devour Curse and Pleasant Feeling not cure all states?
In the build of Ultimate you get to Banishing Breeze. Would not it be better 4/4 Devour curse?

¿Devour curse y Pleasant Feeling no curan todos los estados?
En la build de Ultimate llegas hasta Banishing Breeze. ¿No sería mejor Devour curse 4/4?

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¿Devour Curse and Pleasant Feeling not cure all states?
In the build of Ultimate you get to Banishing Breeze. Would not it be better 4/4 Devour curse?

¿Devour curse y Pleasant Feeling no curan todos los estados?
En la build de Ultimate llegas hasta Banishing Breeze. ¿No sería mejor Devour curse 4/4?
(my majin ultimate: majinmusic) :)
In my majin I was using priests curse, many people were using it for dungeons, also I never saw that they were using anti-paralysis against the chief cockroach.good I the skill of anti-paralysis use her

in spanish :en mi majin yo usaba curas maldición,mucha gente lo usaba para mazmorras, también vi que usaban anti-paralisis contra el jefe cucaracha.bueno yo la habilidad de anti-paralisis nunca la use

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El buff the EP%? se le dice EP regen% (o mas corto EP%) es un regenerador por asi decirlo, que dependiendo del daño que recibas recuperas en este caso EP. Es de los Ultis nomas!
Supone que tenes 10% de EP regen, te pegan un golpe de 1000 de daño-> Recuperas 100 EP automaticamente.
Lo mismo con el LP%, tenes 20% de LP%, te pegan 1000-> Recuperas 200 LP.
Tambien lo podes encontrar en dogis, armaduras y pantalones.

el hardening breeze, te da CON (mas LP o vida) y defensa fisica.

El Skill Duration Up, incrementa el tiempo de los buffs o debuffs, con la build que hice no lo veo muy necesario. Porque los buffs duran 20 minutos, no hay ningun problema en recargar los buffs cada 20 minutos. Y la unica skill que queda es el Rayo Caramelo que ya dura 12 segundos, para mi no es negocio gastar 3 SPs para aumentarle solo 3 segundos a esta sola skill, ademas de que hay muchos Bosses en el juego que son inmunes a hacerse chocolate.
Para la skill que si me parece que es negocio tener el SDU es para el Doube Cluster Bomb, que es casi un stun que se lo podes mantener casi constantemente a los bosses. Si queres podes conseguir equipo CD (para reducir el tiempo en que se recarga la skill) para reemplazar el SDU... en vez de aumentar la duracion del debuff, reducis el tiempo en que se recarga la skill.

El energy Crit rate exactamente es para el party, ayudar a tortugas, karmas, plasmas, etc.

El defense breeze se borra automaticamente cuando usas Defense Breath (porque esta es una version mejorada y da mas vida) por eso no es necesario.
Y el Spiritual Resistance si es bueno tenerlo, si podes mejorarlo mejoralo, pero en PVE no es de mucha importancia para el cheff. Los ulti tienen el buff de 300% que lo potencia y por eso son casi inmunes a todo, pero el cheff no. Para PVP si trata de mejorarlo.
El hardening breeze te da Energía y Defensa de Energía lol no LP. Igual muchas gracias!  Me quedo con mi chef pues xD!


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¿Devour curse y Pleasant Feeling no curan todos los estados?
En la build de Ultimate llegas hasta Banishing Breeze. ¿No sería mejor Devour curse 4/4?
No sos el unico que puede curar estados y maldiciones, los dendes y pokos tambien pueden,  asi que no hay de que preocuparse. Si queres poner alguno al maximo, maximizalo, pero con el dende ya es mas que suficiente para PVE :). Si es para PVP si, ponelos al maximo ;)
Y todas las curas simples que solo curan 1 solo estado, son AoE como el banishing breeze. Devour y Pleasant son 1v1 nomas..

El hardening breeze te da Energía y Defensa de Energía lol no LP. Igual muchas gracias!  Me quedo con mi chef pues xD!
jajaja me confundi con el defense breath... jamas tuve problema con esa skill, ademas hay buffs mejores que 167 de defensa de energia y 17 ENG :D recorda que todas las demas clases tambien tienen algun que otro buff
Y el maximo de buff que podes tener al mismo  tiempo es 16. Esto incluye las curas HoT (las que te van curando constantemente) las de LP y EP.
Muchas denadas!! :)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 10:05:01 PM by chano »

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2015, 01:04:29 AM »

    Offline drfever01

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I'llgive that point to hyperbomb then.  The AoE KD and damage decrease should help xD

De verdad muchas gracias