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« Reply #1075 on: February 27, 2017, 12:37:10 PM »

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That was a good episode.

Proves that Gohan still has a fighting spirit somewhere. He clearly won't be taking Goku's place, but he will be doing some stuff. We can tell he still has a lot of training to do though.

Explains with a little bit more detail what's gonna happen with the universes. There will only be 5 universes after this. Which means our beloved Universe 6, along with three other universes we don't care about enough, will probably end up being destroyed, unless they find a way to talk it out of Zeno's head.

There's also the chance that the 7th universe might actually lose, ending up with Zeno changing his mind because he doesn't want to delete Goku.

Also, based on what we've seen. Goku might have to carry all the Universe 7 fighters (who will probably be powerless except maybe Vegeta) in order for them to achieve victory, based on Toriyama's tendencies. I really hope this is not the case. I wish everyone gets to stand out. Some will lose, some will win but they'll stand out, eventually getting eliminated in the tournament and leaving the finals to Goku or something among those lines.
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« Reply #1076 on: February 27, 2017, 08:21:30 PM »

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Zamasu was right after all

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« Reply #1077 on: March 01, 2017, 02:06:48 PM »

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Got a good laugh out of that one, haha.

Also, based on what we've seen. Goku might have to carry all the Universe 7 fighters (who will probably be powerless except maybe Vegeta) in order for them to achieve victory, based on Toriyama's tendencies. I really hope this is not the case. I wish everyone gets to stand out. Some will lose, some will win but they'll stand out, eventually getting eliminated in the tournament and leaving the finals to Goku or something among those lines.

It's hard to say, as in many ways Super has been very Toriyama while at the same time being very NOT Toriyama.  Gohan had been thrown into the whole "he's a scholar now" category by Toriyama so much that I expected the last episode to be Gohan getting his ass instantly handed to him as a joke.  And yet for once, Toriyama actually did something the fans asked for: made Gohan a serious fighter again.  That's something Toriyama usually HATES doing, and from the sounds of it, Gohan's going to keep up the good pace.

Let's keep in mind that while Goku and Vegeta have always held a spotlight, other characters have had many opportunities to shine since Z.  Heck, in the Champa saga, while Goku and Vegeta did most of the work, Piccolo actually did quite decently and likely would have won had his opponent not been cheating.

Let's also keep in mind that while Universe 7 is the second lowest on the power scale, it's based on the average mortal.  While other Universes have higher averages, that doesn't mean the lower averages might have individual fighters that top theirs.  We also know very little about the actual tournament that's going to take place, bar the results of victory.  It could be a straight up tournament bracket, or something completely new, it's hard to tell.

To sum it up, I'm actually expecting things to be different this time around.  I'm sure Goku and Vegeta are going to be the main two, but I don't think the others are just going to be cannon fodder either. 

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« Reply #1078 on: March 01, 2017, 09:09:46 PM »

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Let's also keep in mind that while Universe 7 is the second lowest on the power scale, it's based on the average mortal.  While other Universes have higher averages, that doesn't mean the lower averages might have individual fighters that top theirs.  We also know very little about the actual tournament that's going to take place, bar the results of victory.  It could be a straight up tournament bracket, or something completely new, it's hard to tell.
I think that the mortal rating they are talking about isn't about strength, but more about culture, government and good and evil. If it was based on strength, why didnt Zen-oh let the top tier universes fight then, that would be much more fun to watch i reckon. The reason universe 7's mortal rate is so low, is probably because of Frieza. He literally owned most of the universe (bit exaggerated maybe) and he terrorized tons of planets. He turned a lot of people evil and because of that the mortal rating is so low. Also, The current supreme kai is very unexperienced and Beerus is sleeping most of the time. so this universe isnt being governed very well.

If you look at the Kaioshin and Hakaishin of universe 9, you see that they dont "govern" really well... The kai is a psycho and the God of Destruction is very indicisive. The Furry Bros are also pretty crazy... That is my theory about the mortal rating. Not based on strength and power, but evilness and culture and stuff.

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« Reply #1079 on: March 02, 2017, 01:17:09 AM »

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I think that the mortal rating they are talking about isn't about strength, but more about culture, government and good and evil. If it was based on strength, why didnt Zen-oh let the top tier universes fight then, that would be much more fun to watch i reckon. The reason universe 7's mortal rate is so low, is probably because of Frieza. He literally owned most of the universe (bit exaggerated maybe) and he terrorized tons of planets. He turned a lot of people evil and because of that the mortal rating is so low. Also, The current supreme kai is very unexperienced and Beerus is sleeping most of the time. so this universe isnt being governed very well.

If you look at the Kaioshin and Hakaishin of universe 9, you see that they dont "govern" really well... The kai is a psycho and the God of Destruction is very indicisive. The Furry Bros are also pretty crazy... That is my theory about the mortal rating. Not based on strength and power, but evilness and culture and stuff.

I can see that, but I'm still not so sure about that.  Keep in mind in Beerus complains to Supreme Kai about his method of letting planets obtain their own strength and ending up weak.  Also, Zeno is not what I would exactly call a wise or even necessarily "good" deity.  Unlike the Gods of Destruction who blow stuff up because it's their duty, Zeno just does it for funsies, and, like Goku, seems more interested in being entertained and having fun than keeping everything balanced and safe.  If I remember correctly, it's also mentioned that the exhibition match is between the two "weakest" universes, but I could be remembering that incorrectly.

As for why the low tier universes were involved, it's because people like Goku exist.  Despite coming from a universe that overall has fairly low power levels in general, you have Goku, who has a power level that is starting to get close to rivaling the Gods themselves.  It's been proven that even the low tier universes can have some amazing fighters. 
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« Reply #1080 on: March 02, 2017, 02:12:09 AM »

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I can see that, but I'm still not so sure about that.  Keep in mind in Beerus complains to Supreme Kai about his method of letting planets obtain their own strength and ending up weak.  Also, Zeno is not what I would exactly call a wise or even necessarily "good" deity.  Unlike the Gods of Destruction who blow stuff up because it's their duty, Zeno just does it for funsies, and, like Goku, seems more interested in being entertained and having fun than keeping everything balanced and safe.  If I remember correctly, it's also mentioned that the exhibition match is between the two "weakest" universes, but I could be remembering that incorrectly.

As for why the low tier universes were involved, it's because people like Goku exist.  Despite coming from a universe that overall has fairly low power levels in general, you have Goku, who has a power level that is starting to get close to rivaling the Gods themselves.  It's been proven that even the low tier universes can have some amazing fighters.
I basically agree with this theory from Rhymestyle:

Talking about the "weakest" universes you have heard somewhere maybe, "weakest" and "strongest" doesnt have to mean strength or power.

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« Reply #1081 on: March 02, 2017, 10:27:10 AM »

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I think that the mortal rating they are talking about isn't about strength, but more about culture, government and good and evil. If it was based on strength, why didnt Zen-oh let the top tier universes fight then, that would be much more fun to watch i reckon. The reason universe 7's mortal rate is so low, is probably because of Frieza. He literally owned most of the universe (bit exaggerated maybe) and he terrorized tons of planets. He turned a lot of people evil and because of that the mortal rating is so low. Also, The current supreme kai is very unexperienced and Beerus is sleeping most of the time. so this universe isnt being governed very well.

If you look at the Kaioshin and Hakaishin of universe 9, you see that they dont "govern" really well... The kai is a psycho and the God of Destruction is very indicisive. The Furry Bros are also pretty crazy... That is my theory about the mortal rating. Not based on strength and power, but evilness and culture and stuff.

It makes sense, but I doubt it. They talk about strength or power or whatever. Having gods that fail at their job shouldn't influence the rating they're using.

Also, Zeno did allow all the universes to participate, he just decided the strongest four are exempt, which means they don't have to participate if they don't want to. All the other universes have to participate, no matter what.
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« Reply #1082 on: March 02, 2017, 11:00:19 AM »

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It makes sense, but I doubt it. They talk about strength or power or whatever. Having gods that fail at their job shouldn't influence the rating they're using.

Also, Zeno did allow all the universes to participate, he just decided the strongest four are exempt, which means they don't have to participate if they don't want to. All the other universes have to participate, no matter what.
It's more of how a society fits together (again, a theory). if its good then that universe has a higher rating and if its bad a lower rating. If we were talking about strength, the grand priest said that Gohan and Basil were basically the lowest rated mortals in this room. Hercule is in this room too. HERCULE. (Unless you are a Satanist who believes that Hercule beat cell). I think that is a bit weird. It is very confusing, but we will have to wait until further explanations...

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« Reply #1083 on: March 03, 2017, 02:59:10 AM »

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It's more of how a society fits together (again, a theory). if its good then that universe has a higher rating and if its bad a lower rating. If we were talking about strength, the grand priest said that Gohan and Basil were basically the lowest rated mortals in this room. Hercule is in this room too. HERCULE. (Unless you are a Satanist who believes that Hercule beat cell). I think that is a bit weird. It is very confusing, but we will have to wait until further explanations...

My biggest problem with this theory is a similar problem I have with a lot of theories...it doesn't sound right.  Not because it feels faulty in logic, but because it doesn't sound like the author.  To me, the concept of Zeno blowing up universes because it only wants strong entertainment is much more along the lines of Toriyama's thinking than "proper society".  It feels like trying to bring a lot of sense and logic to an author that makes poop jokes. 

What has stood out in Super in general is honestly how strange and sort of fricked up everything is, specifically Zeno.  The strongest known God in all Universes is a playful child that plays space chess with real planets, killing millions of lives for fun.  He doesn't care about the use of weapons in the exhibition match or if fighters die simply because of entertainment value.  In a lot of ways, as Beerus said, Zeno is similar to Goku.  The idea of Zeno caring about "society" and "the balance of the universe" makes little sense as Zeno has cared so little about that stuff in the first place.  Heck, Zeno seems to care less about balance and order than BEERUS does.  BEERUS.  The idea of Zeno destroying universes because they are weak and not entertaining?  That makes a lot more sense to me from looking at Zeno as a character.
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« Reply #1084 on: March 03, 2017, 06:19:27 AM »

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My biggest problem with this theory is a similar problem I have with a lot of theories...it doesn't sound right.  Not because it feels faulty in logic, but because it doesn't sound like the author.  To me, the concept of Zeno blowing up universes because it only wants strong entertainment is much more along the lines of Toriyama's thinking than "proper society".  It feels like trying to bring a lot of sense and logic to an author that makes poop jokes. 

What has stood out in Super in general is honestly how strange and sort of fricked up everything is, specifically Zeno.  The strongest known God in all Universes is a playful child that plays space chess with real planets, killing millions of lives for fun.  He doesn't care about the use of weapons in the exhibition match or if fighters die simply because of entertainment value.  In a lot of ways, as Beerus said, Zeno is similar to Goku.  The idea of Zeno caring about "society" and "the balance of the universe" makes little sense as Zeno has cared so little about that stuff in the first place.  Heck, Zeno seems to care less about balance and order than BEERUS does.  BEERUS.  The idea of Zeno destroying universes because they are weak and not entertaining?  That makes a lot more sense to me from looking at Zeno as a character.
We will just have to wait until another episode explains the Mortal Rating system further... Until then we can't say who is right and who isn't.

Also, i think that Zeno didn't make the Mortal Rating system, but the Grand Priest. Zeno seems a little too stupid and too childish to think about rating universes in general.

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« Reply #1085 on: March 05, 2017, 11:59:36 AM »

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I was right after all!

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« Reply #1086 on: March 06, 2017, 12:26:18 AM »
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« Reply #1087 on: March 08, 2017, 12:45:20 AM »

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Goku needs to die .

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« Reply #1088 on: March 08, 2017, 02:32:10 AM »
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 :umbraxd: Why would you want Goku to die?



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« Reply #1089 on: March 08, 2017, 05:01:53 AM »

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:umbraxd: Why would you want Goku to die?
He is worse than frieza , he needs to die and stay dead forever .

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« Reply #1090 on: March 08, 2017, 07:18:20 AM »

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He is worse than frieza , he needs to die and stay dead forever .
He died enough times already...

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He died enough times already...
He needs to stay dead bruh .

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« Reply #1092 on: March 14, 2017, 12:48:09 PM »

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He needs to stay dead bruh .

You really think that would stop him? Remember he assisted the martial arts tournament while dead.
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« Reply #1093 on: March 14, 2017, 03:16:12 PM »

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Son Goku laughs at your silly concept of 'death.'
Whatever doesn't kill Goku only makes him stronger. Whatever does kill Goku makes him stronger yet.


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By the way, can we talk about how Toriyama made a "space Dr. Robotnik (Eggman)" character?

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« Reply #1095 on: March 15, 2017, 11:00:25 AM »

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By the way, can we talk about how Toriyama made a "space Dr. Robotnik (Eggman)" character?


I like his moustache.

He is like Eggman but in the Ginyu force of Great SayjaJustice thingamajig. great

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I like his moustache.

He is like Eggman but in the Ginyu force of Great SayjaJustice thingamajig. great
When did Toriyama have a passion for Sonic?



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« Reply #1097 on: March 16, 2017, 03:57:00 AM »

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When did Toriyama have a passion for Sonic?

He didn't. SEGA just ripped him off so many times, he decided to rip them off in return.


"I am the bone of my sword
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 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #1098 on: March 16, 2017, 04:57:27 AM »

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Goku  and knuckles are the same

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« Reply #1099 on: March 16, 2017, 07:12:16 AM »

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He didn't. SEGA just ripped him off so many times, he decided to rip them off in return.

SEGA ripped Toriyama off? I don't know what you're talking about.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Yup... No clue.
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