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How does Future Trunks obtain Tapion's sword?
« on: May 14, 2015, 09:52:40 AM »

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I think Future Trunks had to kill Tapion to get the sword. Hirudegarn was defeated by Goku going Super Sayian 3 in the canon timeline, but in Future Trunk's timeline, Goku would be dead by the time Hirudegarn came to earth. So, the only way to get the sword would be to kill Tapion. Am I missing something?

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2015, 09:54:35 AM »

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As far as I know, that's a big Dragon Ball mystery but maybe @Kiyza or @Nia can tell you.

That movie was not canon as far as I know. So he could've gotten it in any other way. I might be wrong here since I don't really follow the series as much as to know that but that's what I think it is. If he killed Tapion, Hirudegarn would've destroyed the planet and stuff since Goku died due to the heart disease.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2015, 10:10:17 AM »

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He got the sword from Gohan the fillers are non-canon so you have to accept that he got the sword from Gohan and not from Tapion. It might confuse a lot of people because there is so many alternative timelines for future trunks could have got that sword. But in the end its still Gohan who gives him his sword. :) hope i clear it for you.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2015, 10:15:12 AM »

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But the movies are canon I thought? Kid Trunks got the sword from Tapion in Wrath of the Dragon.

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 10:21:29 AM »
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But the movies are canon I thought? Kid Trunks got the sword from Tapion in Wrath of the Dragon.
All movies except Yo Son Goku and Battle of Gods are non-canon.

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 10:27:25 AM »

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This is actually a plot hole. The only straightforward answer I can think of is that Tapion exists in the future timeline and somehow defeats Hildegarn with a young Trunks and Gohan in tow or something like that. Maybe in the same sense that 17 and 18 are weaker in that timeline, Hildegarn is less of a threat? Hell if I know. The entire thing doesn't make sense, quite frankly.


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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2015, 10:56:42 AM »

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The Trunks from the future just happened to get a sword. It's never explained where, but it's pretty clear that it's not the same one Tapion uses (if that sword could cut through the staggeringly powerful Hiredugarn's tail, there's no way it would shatter by hitting one of the Jinzoneingen).

Also, modern Trunks never uses that sword. It's only in that movie (and occasionally referenced in GT-related content).

The original 13 movies are not canon.
The only movies/specials that are canon are the Trunks TV special (which is altered slightly from the manga, but other than a few differences, is pretty close), the Jump 2008 special (Yo, Son Goku), Battle of Gods, and Fukkatsu no F.

Presumably, the sword that Mirai no Trunks uses is just an ordinary sword. There's nothing that shows it as being anything special, and given that he replaces it by the time DBO rolls around, I have doubts that it's anything more than a simple sword.

As for the movie/GT thing? Ignore it. None of it means anything at all.


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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2015, 11:24:13 AM »

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He got the sword from Gohan the fillers are non-canon so you have to accept that he got the sword from Gohan and not from Tapion. It might confuse a lot of people because there is so many alternative timelines for future trunks could have got that sword. But in the end its still Gohan who gives him his sword. :) hope i clear it for you.
The Z sword that broke in half releasing Old Kai?


Also, look that the handle of the Z sword is yellow/gold and the trunks sword is silver

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 03:11:21 PM »

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The Z sword that broke in half releasing Old Kai?


Also, look that the handle of the Z sword is yellow/gold and the trunks sword is silver

No, those are two totally different swords. I'm talking about the sword in Wrath of the Dragon, the one that Tapion has. it's the same one as Future Trunks's.

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 06:30:03 PM »

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Again, the 13th Dragon Ball Z movie IS NOT CANON. Trunks did not receive his sword from Tapion because TAPION DOES NOT EXIST IN THE CANON OF THE SERIES.

Even if he did, it would be modern-era Trunks who got the sword, not Future Trunks. Remember, they needed the Dragon Balls just to open the music box... and in the future timeline, there's no Dragon Balls.

They merely reused the design, and attempted to (likely) cash in on the popularity of Future Trunks.
There is no connection between him and Tapion.


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Tapion gifted him a sword that looked just like Future Trunks' but he couldn't have gotten it from him, even if the movie was canon because of multiple reasons.

Nia pretty much explained it but I just wanted to point out they made Tapion gift Trunks the sword for fans to be like "Oh, so that's where he gets the sword!" but ended up causing a lot of controversy.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 01:54:17 AM »

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No, those are two totally different swords.
I know that are different swords, thats why i posted them, for Toragos.
I'm talking about the sword in Wrath of the Dragon, the one that Tapion has. it's the same one as Future Trunks's.
And not, those swords are different too. Look the straps.



Idk when he got his sword, but here you can see that he already have it before gohan's death
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2015, 02:54:18 AM »

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Idk when he got his sword, but here you can see that he already have it before gohan's death

To be fair, that's a non-canon filler scene, too. :x

In both the manga and the TV special, Trunks isn't depicted with the sword at all until after Gohan's death. That clip is from a weird filler scene that I seem to remember contradicts the TV special/manga chapter.


As I stated before, it can't be the same sword, since #18 shatters the blade. I highly doubt she could break a holy sword that younger and much weaker modern-era Trunks sliced Hiredugarn's tail off while in his normal form.

Just consider the part in the 13th movie nothing more than an homage. It has no effect on the timeline whatsoever.


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Trunks probably got it from the swords shop,given 18 shattered it 2x i think

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2015, 04:13:25 AM »

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To be fair, that's a non-canon filler scene, too. :x

In both the manga and the TV special, Trunks isn't depicted with the sword at all until after Gohan's death. That clip is from a weird filler scene that I seem to remember contradicts the TV special/manga chapter.


As I stated before, it can't be the same sword, since #18 shatters the blade. I highly doubt she could break a holy sword that younger and much weaker modern-era Trunks sliced Hiredugarn's tail off while in his normal form.

Just consider the part in the 13th movie nothing more than an homage. It has no effect on the timeline whatsoever.
Isn't it also said that it's the user who wields the sword as well ?

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2015, 04:31:23 AM »

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Isn't it also said that it's the user who wields the sword as well ?

I don't really remember for sure (been a while since I saw the movie). It's also possible they were referring to the ocarina, not the sword.

Also, keep in mind, if that line was in the dub, there's a high chance that it's a typical case of FUNImation making crap up... especially since Movie 13 was pretty heavily altered, dialogue wise.


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 Steel is my body and fire is my blood
 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."