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« on: February 12, 2015, 07:39:07 AM »

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i know i alreday said but i really dislike upgrade,cuz of downgrade.
this will make ppl rage quit and get pissed everytime.
i talk with my old dbo friends who actually know how the game was and how upgrade is and we come up with this:
to +8 armor or weapon , 100% rate
+8++ will do changes only fail and succes : the succes though has low chance
8>9 35%
9>10 25%
10>11 18%
11 > 12 12%
12 > 13 8%
13 > 14 4%
14 > 15 2%

this is how it should or atleast close to this , we test it and we see if it is low enough or high to balance it more



i hope devs will take this in considerations.



imagine ppl all with +15 , crazy PVP tournement if u ask me , and ther u can see true skills of combo and reflex

not realy , it will take atleast 4-5 month to do full set +15 ... wich is crazy long time

everyone +15 is good though , ther wont be a p2w character wich u all aparently are used to see it

when the game is based on Gears , make sure to make all ppl attein same gear otherwise it get boring and ppl will leave

all my freinds in dbo quited cuz of gears from kanden to ben to my brothers to ....

i think thats better hahahaa no downgrade or broken but only succes.. But the succes rate is very low at +8 and its lowering when the + is bigge

I like your suggestion

Tera , AuraKingdom , DMO , are prime examples where ur chances get higher next time if u fail , no break , do TERA players whine about all being +12 ? no .

there is no sense in maintaining such a broken system if you're not accounting for the marketing. main reason F2P MMOs even introduce an enchantment system is simply since they want to extend the replay value and maximize profit from microtransactions.

in CHN B&S ; "oh, don't wanna break your item? we have 12-pack mercury special in cash shop to save your ass for only $19.99!"

IMBO like people have suggested here, retain the old enchantment system but remove the breaks, fails are okay. just further increase the gold cost, problem solved.

even in saint seiya online u can upgrade without breaking



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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2015, 08:00:25 AM »
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I'm against this!

Upgrade system shouldn't get changed. It has to be hard so ppl will have to do something to have something good.

Everyone with +8? Dafaq...Hell to the nawww!

If you want to have high upgrades you have to farm/buy upgrade stones (do some work). Then buy a white stone (do some work for money and buy them) and then try your luck. It would really suck if everyone would be able to get +8 without any problems loooool...

This now sounds harsh but if your friends "cried" over upgrade, then your friends were noobs lol.

So nope...don't wanna see this. Or any other change for upgrade system. The game was already muuuch too easy. It should stay the way it was. My opinion...  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2015, 08:10:07 AM »
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I hated the upgrade system honestly because it required a lot of zenni/cash to get anything good. Really wasn't based on skill or anything just pure luck. Honestly though if DBOR is completely f2p it will probably be better than it was in DBO. The highest I ever got my gear to was at 60 cap to +12 after +8 I usually didn't take many risks because it would just piss me off lol.


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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2015, 08:13:37 AM »

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I'm against this!

Upgrade system shouldn't get changed. It has to be hard so ppl will have to do something to have something good.

Everyone with +8? Dafaq...Hell to the nawww!

If you want to have high upgrades you have to farm/buy upgrade stones (do some work). Then buy a white stone (do some work for money and buy them) and then try your luck. It would really suck if everyone would be able to get +8 without any problems loooool...

This now sounds harsh but if your friends "cried" over upgrade, then your friends were noobs lol.

So nope...don't wanna see this. Or any other change for upgrade system. The game was already muuuch too easy. It should stay the way it was. My opinion...  ;D

Getting high level equipment to be competitive in PvP was a must. There was a time in DBO's lifetime that +6 could win you third place in solo/party Budokai, but not anymore.

There were two things that drove me absolutely insane with DBO, Fighter's crits and the god-damn upgrade system.

Farm for the right gear sure, you would get the type of armour you wanted with the wrong stats, spend $20-$100 to get the right stats on that armour with brown boxes, then spend upwards of 500m upgrading something that could potentially break after +6.

My point is, if you wish the upgrade system to stay the same, other aspects need tweaking. For example, if you could obtain brown boxes through in-game methods, price fluctuations of stones (near impossible to control).

Trust me, upgrading is one of the biggest parts of the end game of DBO. In the two years I played DBO, I only every drop two pieces of equipment that had the stats I wanted; 33 Dex earring and 12% Physical reflect boots.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2015, 08:19:16 AM »

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upgrade system easy?
LOL
how much u play dbo and how much char u upgrade?
i oplay since korean beta and for get my items i buyed them from chinese sites already +10 cuz upgrade piss me off
anyway this is just a suggestion,tyake the % abd the +x for exanple the point FOR ME is remove break item/downgrade and will work good
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2015, 08:24:08 AM »
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Make some Zenny and buy the stuff from AH (if you find the sh*t you need). You don't always need to have the highest stats on EQ...you just have to be a bit modest^^

Dunno how brown boxes will be obtainable ingame...maybe with token shop? or during events...dunno and about the upgrade stone prices..well ...dunno how the price will be in in DBOR but we will see. I am pretty sure it will be like S1 and S2 combined which may make it balanced^^

Back in S1 everything was dayyuuum expensive...but because of that you were able to make good zenny^^ Don't really know how it was on S2 but i heard the prices were not as high as on S1.

And sure it sucked to lose your weapon by breaking it...but hey...sh*t happens. Try again xD
It's luck anyways... ;D

@Blaka: I didn't say Upgrade was easy...i said the game was easy enough. So having a hard upgrade system was good since you actually really had to work to get high upgrades^^
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 08:29:37 AM »

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i got different point of view here.upgrade was too hard and make a lot of people dont wanna play and not do endgame contenet.
anyway like i say upgrade can stay the same,just need remove broke of items and fowngrade put 2 fail instead beacause a system that make u lose something u earned so hard its unfrair
i m not asking about insta +10 or +15 just remove downgrrade and lose items :) i m fine even with old style upgrade that after +3 u was need 2 stone and after +6 3 stones i really disliked downgrade and broken because make u dont want play more when happen and piss you off
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 08:49:36 AM »

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I think that it shouldn't be totally random like it was, but then again will they be able to change this ? anyways, it's right that it shouldn't be totally random, but on the other hand, getting +8 with ease is a retarded idea because +8 items are kinda strong, and it lose the whole point of purple/green stones, try to get from +5 to +8, instead of taking the risk of doing it with red stones, so +6-7-8.

IMO it's a really hard system to balance, but in anyways if it's about % chances then it will STILL be luck based, so really i don't mind the actual system, unlucky with upgrades ? then buy highly-upgraded gears.


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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 08:56:30 AM »

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Upgrade system should be changed  :-\, I had to buy items +10 or higher (never cashed). The highest I got was a sword +10. And then I broke it.   

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 09:05:45 AM »

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Eh, the upgrade system made me rage.

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 09:07:55 AM »

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i hope devs will listen us and remove downgrade and break items...seriously this ruin the game
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2015, 09:17:31 AM »

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Your percentages suck lol
2%!! .. 

I agree though the downgrade system sucks and maybe if it changed to -1 each downgrade instead of wiping your gear -3 ect

Doesn't Matter for me  as luke gonna pimp me out with dem+15's
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2015, 09:36:02 AM »

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lol i m fine even with higher %
but idk why all wanan things hard so i put % hard
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2015, 10:34:49 AM »

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I agree that something needs to change as far as being able both get good gear (stats wise) and being able to highly upgrade them. This is coming from someone who had maaaany highly upgraded gears including a few +15 armors and weapons. The system was too hard. At some point after the game releases something will be changed, that I'm sure of. The community is what sustains the game and if the overwhelming outcry is for the system to change then it will. The only question is in what way(s) would/should it change. Can't make it too easy for obvious reason and can't keep it too hard for obvious reasons. Yes you could do things like make the availability of brown boxes (or some other item) easier to come by. I don't like brown boxes in general tho. Makes the game too easy in some respects. Out of all the ideas that I can think of or have heard the one I like the most is the simplest change outside of doing nothing. And I think it's the best compromise of the two extremes. Leave it the way it is vs make it a lot easier. I'd say just leave it the way it is but remove the possibility of your weapon/armor breaking. Like when you use white stones, it just downgrades a certain amount when you get break. I think we can all see the benefits of a system where you have to work hard to be strong but can't easily loose what you've worked so hard for. Btw, I'm sure I've  heard this idea in another thread. I'd like to hear some critiques on this.

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Well...all i understand here is that ppl only want a positive upgrade system...but that won't work. Upgrade system needs to have negative aspects too.

This suggestion just makes sure that everyone will have +15 on everything after some time...even if it's low % chance. All you would need is to be rich and have some time. Then you try and try and try etc. and *ding* you have 15 since upgrade has no negative side...not to mention  to get +8 without problems....

That's why  i wrote not to change it xD
I know it sucks if something gets downgraded or breaks...but with this you'll always have something to do^^
Or are you the kind of players who are just standing around after they failed on something ingame?
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Maybe you were responding to someone else or didn't read the part I said about my suggestion. It does have a negative side. I'd like to hear your (and others) thoughts on that.

Edit: meaning the part where you keep it the same with one difference. When you get break, it reacts like you have a white stone. If you've ever used white stones before, it still sucks when you get downgraded 2-6 lvls (or whatever we'd decide) but it's still better than saying bye bye to your item.
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We shouldnt make things to easy guys i know its a naughtyword to get a good upgrade but thats the risk you gotta take
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i know i alreday said but i really dislike upgrade,cuz of downgrade.
this will make ppl rage quit and get pissed everytime.
i talk with my old dbo friends who actually know how the game was and how upgrade is and we come up with this:
to +8 armor or weapon , 100% rate
+8++ will do changes only fail and succes : the succes though has low chance
8>9 35%
9>10 25%
10>11 18%
11 > 12 12%
12 > 13 8%
13 > 14 4%
14 > 15 2%

this is how it should or atleast close to this , we test it and we see if it is low enough or high to balance it more



i hope devs will take this in considerations.



imagine ppl all with +15 , crazy PVP tournement if u ask me , and ther u can see true skills of combo and reflex

not realy , it will take atleast 4-5 month to do full set +15 ... wich is crazy long time

everyone +15 is good though , ther wont be a p2w character wich u all aparently are used to see it

when the game is based on Gears , make sure to make all ppl attein same gear otherwise it get boring and ppl will leave

all my freinds in dbo quited cuz of gears from kanden to ben to my brothers to ....

i think thats better hahahaa no downgrade or broken but only succes.. But the succes rate is very low at +8 and its lowering when the + is bigge

I like your suggestion

Tera , AuraKingdom , DMO , are prime examples where ur chances get higher next time if u fail , no break , do TERA players whine about all being +12 ? no .

there is no sense in maintaining such a broken system if you're not accounting for the marketing. main reason F2P MMOs even introduce an enchantment system is simply since they want to extend the replay value and maximize profit from microtransactions.

in CHN B&S ; "oh, don't wanna break your item? we have 12-pack mercury special in cash shop to save your ass for only $19.99!"

IMBO like people have suggested here, retain the old enchantment system but remove the breaks, fails are okay. just further increase the gold cost, problem solved.

even in saint seiya online u can upgrade without breaking



this are the highlight parts of the convo :)

Great topic for a discussion, the upgrade system is the reason why i quit DBO, my +14 pants broke and I got so mad that I just quit playing DBO and I never came back...

In regards to the topic of a new system, idc for it, im the type of person who doesn't mind a challenge and with the current system I like how it separates the skill level of the characters and forces players to grind and put in the work to be successful...

I dont mind a new system that doesn't include breaks as long it is a great challenge for the players, for example level gear from 1-6 will make you choose from 3 boxes to (1success and 2 fail), from 6-12 can include 4 boxes instead of 3 (1success and 3 fail), and lastly from 12-15 can include 5 boxes to choose from (1success and 4 fail), this would be a great challenge worth while of getting +15 without having to worry about the risk your gear getting broken...
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2015, 11:20:18 AM »

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We shouldnt make things to easy guys i know its a popo to get a good upgrade but thats the risk you gotta take

Man, if you tried to get a high upgrade on DBO, you'll know why some people want to change it. I don't know if "make it easy" is the correct term. Just to change it.

Wasn't funny at all that you bought an expensive weapon, and the bought the stones that weren't cheap too... And then in the worst case you lose your weapon, your stones because it broke.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2015, 12:10:15 PM »

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Simply put;

DBO = Free 2 Play

Therefore, the game was designed to attract using the cash shop. If people broke equipment, it gave them more reason to cash. The cash shop did indeed sell stones.

The DBOR will handle this accordingly.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2015, 01:39:13 PM »
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Well, it's only fair that the downgrade at least stay there BUT i personally believe that the "break item" card be removed and maybe it be replaced with another downgrade card. Then it wouldn't be too easy to get upgraded equipment, But it would make it less of a pain to upgrade. Personally i think it could work. Does anyone agree/Disagree with this?

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 01:51:53 PM »

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Well, it's only fair that the downgrade at least stay there BUT i personally believe that the "break item" card be removed and maybe it be replaced with another downgrade card. Then it wouldn't be too easy to get upgraded equipment, But it would make it less of a pain to upgrade. Personally i think it could work. Does anyone agree/Disagree with this?
I do. It's exactly what I just said twice.

Simply put;

DBO = Free 2 Play

Therefore, the game was designed to attract using the cash shop. If people broke equipment, it gave them more reason to cash. The cash shop did indeed sell stones.

The DBOR will handle this accordingly.

Once that happens along with balancing the game will be 10X better than before imo. And it was pretty great to begin with.

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2015, 02:06:53 PM »

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Honestly, I don't think it should be changed. Maybe the only thing i would like to change is the White stone being taken away when it is a success or failed. I think it should only be taken away when it breaks.

The upgrade system wasn't meant to be easy. It's hard for a reason. Imagine it being easy then everyone would have high upgraded gears. There would be no difference between the community.

I don't think it should be changed honestly.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2015, 02:37:07 PM »

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Honestly, I don't think it should be changed. Maybe the only thing i would like to change is the White stone being taken away when it is a success or failed. I think it should only be taken away when it breaks.

Even that is much better  than we had. And of course a slightly easier way to attain white stones. Before being almost exclusively cash shop.

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The situation is quite simple really, just replace with this here system:

Hold Spacebar= Success
Hold Backspace= Broken
Idle= +15

Everything is fixed!!