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« on: December 20, 2014, 04:11:31 AM »

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Not going to spoil, but I thought you guys might enjoy this.


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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 04:23:15 AM »

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Not going to spoil, but I thought you guys might enjoy this.

Lost ALL Creditably with Death Battle after Goku v Superman.

I could of seen either one winning, It's just that what they said is complete bulls**t!




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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2014, 04:29:50 AM »

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Haha this was entertaining to see ( when someone said majin buy and Kirby were next I didn't believe it )

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 04:40:04 AM »

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Haha this was entertaining to see ( when someone said majin buy and Kirby were next I didn't believe it )

Always entertaining, but never quite accurate.

I believe this gave some credit where credit was due to Kirby, but also didn't give enough credit to Buu.

The true limits of characters is always tricky subjects.




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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2014, 04:55:31 AM »

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majin buu should have won. They should do ssj god goku vs. Six paths Naruto.
    
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2014, 05:00:14 AM »
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Kirby looks like a small fat buu, with no clohes and no antenna thingy. :-\ :o

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 05:24:52 AM »

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Lost ALL Creditably with Death Battle after Goku v Superman.

I could of seen either one winning, It's just that what they said is complete bulls**t!

I think that the Goku Vs Superman Death Battle was the best researched and most entertaining episode they ever did.



On top of that, I feel like they did fudge the facts a bit... in places that would give Goku the edge. For instance, they use a conglomerate version of Goku, using information from every incarnation he'd had up until Battle of Gods (which hadn't yet been released), but they cut out any pre-Crisis material that Superman could have drawn on because, let's face it, it would have given him an unfair advantage. They also weasel around Superman's "weakness" to magic, which isn't "Superman gets weak when he's hit with a magic stick" but rather "When Zatanna talks backwards and Billy Batson says "Shazam!", Supes is screwed."

If you're miffed by, say, Goku's inability to bench more than a few tons, that's definitely true, though it wouldn't be accurate to determine his striking strength based on his lifting strength because even in the real world, it's largely dependant on how fast you move to begin with. Iron Fist from Marvel can't bench more than a normal person in good physical condition, but it's not keeping him from punching Helicarriers out of the sky. They are, however, correlated, and the real strength of Dragon Ball characters has always been in ki attacks anyway.

If you want to attack their credibility, the Rainbow Dash Vs Starscream or Wonder Woman Vs Rogue battles would probably be the worst they've done. The Rainbow Dash one was a joke to begin with, but everyone who loves their cape comics knows that Wonder Woman is a neck-breaking Dragon Ball character in disguise who would one-shot that redneck mutie.



All said and done, I actually think that this episode existed mainly to mess with Dragon Ball fans. Why? Because they're very, very easy to mess with. Outside of maybe Naruto fans, (exhibit A in this very thread, no offense) I can't think of a single fandom that's more unwilling to accept that their favorite characters aren't actually as powerful as they believe they are. When a normal group of fans -- let's say Saint Seiya fans, since it's another classic shounen where planet-destroying characters are a dime a dozen -- is approached with the comment "You know, the main character of your series is really strong, but they're not that great and would get their shit knocked in by Galactus", the typical response is usually, "Yeah, you're right, but that doesn't affect my enjoyment of my favorite series because it's about more than how strong the characters are." If you tell this to Dragon Ball fans, you will get a lot of people saying that no, you're wrong, and Goku is not only stronger than the Big G, but can bench destroy the universe because of something they pulled out of their ass.

They really do bring this upon themselves. I like a lot of "strong characters" -- characters who make Goku look like a fart in the wind -- but it's not like I take it as a blow to my ego when you dig up a character that would tear mai husbando to pieces. Most fans and fandoms don't, and it's that disconnect that makes it so easy to mess with Dragon Ball fans in this fashion.


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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 04:07:06 PM »

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I think that the Goku Vs Superman Death Battle was the best researched and most entertaining episode they ever did.

On top of that, I feel like they did fudge the facts a bit... in places that would give Goku the edge. For instance, they use a conglomerate version of Goku, using information from every incarnation he'd had up until Battle of Gods (which hadn't yet been released), but they cut out any pre-Crisis material that Superman could have drawn on because, let's face it, it would have given him an unfair advantage. They also weasel around Superman's "weakness" to magic, which isn't "Superman gets weak when he's hit with a magic stick" but rather "When Zatanna talks backwards and Billy Batson says "Shazam!", Supes is screwed."

If you're miffed by, say, Goku's inability to bench more than a few tons, that's definitely true, though it wouldn't be accurate to determine his striking strength based on his lifting strength because even in the real world, it's largely dependant on how fast you move to begin with. Iron Fist from Marvel can't bench more than a normal person in good physical condition, but it's not keeping him from punching Helicarriers out of the sky. They are, however, correlated, and the real strength of Dragon Ball characters has always been in ki attacks anyway.

If you want to attack their credibility, the Rainbow Dash Vs Starscream or Wonder Woman Vs Rogue battles would probably be the worst they've done. The Rainbow Dash one was a joke to begin with, but everyone who loves their cape comics knows that Wonder Woman is a neck-breaking Dragon Ball character in disguise who would one-shot that redneck mutie.

All said and done, I actually think that this episode existed mainly to mess with Dragon Ball fans. Why? Because they're very, very easy to mess with. Outside of maybe Naruto fans, (exhibit A in this very thread, no offense) I can't think of a single fandom that's more unwilling to accept that their favorite characters aren't actually as powerful as they believe they are. When a normal group of fans -- let's say Saint Seiya fans, since it's another classic shounen where planet-destroying characters are a dime a dozen -- is approached with the comment "You know, the main character of your series is really strong, but they're not that great and would get their shit knocked in by Galactus", the typical response is usually, "Yeah, you're right, but that doesn't affect my enjoyment of my favorite series because it's about more than how strong the characters are." If you tell this to Dragon Ball fans, you will get a lot of people saying that no, you're wrong, and Goku is not only stronger than the Big G, but can bench destroy the universe because of something they pulled out of their ass.

They really do bring this upon themselves. I like a lot of "strong characters" -- characters who make Goku look like a fart in the wind -- but it's not like I take it as a blow to my ego when you dig up a character that would tear mai husbando to pieces. Most fans and fandoms don't, and it's that disconnect that makes it so easy to mess with Dragon Ball fans in this fashion.

well spoken Kiyza. I have to agree 100% with what you said here as these were more or less my thoughts as well.

Back on topic however, I feel like Buu should have won this match. No, not because Buu is my favourite character or I'm a butthurt DBZ fan, but rather I looked upon this situation just out of my own logic.

First of all let me state that I do not know in detail the background/powers of Kirby or Buu. However I have played enough Kirby games to have the general gist of his powers. And I have watched all of DBZ plus it's movies, so I base my logic from those two memories I have of the characters.

Buu...Both Majin and Kid version is powerful. Like...I can't exactly describe it...those who've watched DBZ would know what I mean but I'm sure if either Buu versions punched Kirby, Kirby would lose all his health (like in the games). Essentially, he would die. Or best case scenario be knocked out unconscious. In this video, Kirby was able to guard against multiple blows. In the games, I believe that it's possible for Kirby's guard to break. That and you can't stay guarded forever. So my thinking in short form that is is simple. Buu > Kirby in terms of power. And probably speed. The warp star argument is valid if it's true that it can go the speed of light. However, Buu has the option (and did in the video) to destroy/disable the warp star as it's not indestructible.

And the ending of this video...something just bothers me. And I think it might be this: In the Goku vs Superman battle, they judged Goku's ability to take damage based upon his output force. Well based on that logic, that would mean Buu's final attack is the same strength as the amount of damage he can take. Soo....wouldn't that mean he can survive? I mean it's not like Kirby sucking up the giant energy ball Buu made could possibly make the ball of energy stronger in any means.

That's just my take on this video though.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 04:13:37 PM »

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I think that the Goku Vs Superman Death Battle was the best researched and most entertaining episode they ever did.



On top of that, I feel like they did fudge the facts a bit... in places that would give Goku the edge. For instance, they use a conglomerate version of Goku, using information from every incarnation he'd had up until Battle of Gods (which hadn't yet been released), but they cut out any pre-Crisis material that Superman could have drawn on because, let's face it, it would have given him an unfair advantage. They also weasel around Superman's "weakness" to magic, which isn't "Superman gets weak when he's hit with a magic stick" but rather "When Zatanna talks backwards and Billy Batson says "Shazam!", Supes is screwed."

If you're miffed by, say, Goku's inability to bench more than a few tons, that's definitely true, though it wouldn't be accurate to determine his striking strength based on his lifting strength because even in the real world, it's largely dependant on how fast you move to begin with. Iron Fist from Marvel can't bench more than a normal person in good physical condition, but it's not keeping him from punching Helicarriers out of the sky. They are, however, correlated, and the real strength of Dragon Ball characters has always been in ki attacks anyway.

If you want to attack their credibility, the Rainbow Dash Vs Starscream or Wonder Woman Vs Rogue battles would probably be the worst they've done. The Rainbow Dash one was a joke to begin with, but everyone who loves their cape comics knows that Wonder Woman is a neck-breaking Dragon Ball character in disguise who would one-shot that redneck mutie.



All said and done, I actually think that this episode existed mainly to mess with Dragon Ball fans. Why? Because they're very, very easy to mess with. Outside of maybe Naruto fans, (exhibit A in this very thread, no offense) I can't think of a single fandom that's more unwilling to accept that their favorite characters aren't actually as powerful as they believe they are. When a normal group of fans -- let's say Saint Seiya fans, since it's another classic shounen where planet-destroying characters are a dime a dozen -- is approached with the comment "You know, the main character of your series is really strong, but they're not that great and would get their shit knocked in by Galactus", the typical response is usually, "Yeah, you're right, but that doesn't affect my enjoyment of my favorite series because it's about more than how strong the characters are." If you tell this to Dragon Ball fans, you will get a lot of people saying that no, you're wrong, and Goku is not only stronger than the Big G, but can bench destroy the universe because of something they pulled out of their ass.

They really do bring this upon themselves. I like a lot of "strong characters" -- characters who make Goku look like a fart in the wind -- but it's not like I take it as a blow to my ego when you dig up a character that would tear mai husbando to pieces. Most fans and fandoms don't, and it's that disconnect that makes it so easy to mess with Dragon Ball fans in this fashion.

>Deathbattle says Buu is magical
>Buu needed ki to get out of the sealed ball
>In Goku VS Superman they say "Ki has no connection with magic"

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2014, 04:50:04 PM »

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Back on topic however, I feel like Buu should have won this match. No, not because Buu is my favourite character or I'm a butthurt DBZ fan, but rather I looked upon this situation just out of my own logic.

First of all let me state that I do not know in detail the background/powers of Kirby or Buu. However I have played enough Kirby games to have the general gist of his powers. And I have watched all of DBZ plus it's movies, so I base my logic from those two memories I have of the characters.

Oh don't get me wrong here. I definitely don't think Kirby had any business winning this, I just find the reactions of Dragon Ball fans to be a bit extreme when it comes to the notion of a character losing a fight in something like Death Battle.


Buu...Both Majin and Kid version is powerful. Like...I can't exactly describe it...those who've watched DBZ would know what I mean but I'm sure if either Buu versions punched Kirby, Kirby would lose all his health (like in the games). Essentially, he would die. Or best case scenario be knocked out unconscious. In this video, Kirby was able to guard against multiple blows. In the games, I believe that it's possible for Kirby's guard to break. That and you can't stay guarded forever. So my thinking in short form that is is simple. Buu > Kirby in terms of power. And probably speed. The warp star argument is valid if it's true that it can go the speed of light. However, Buu has the option (and did in the video) to destroy/disable the warp star as it's not indestructible.

Kirby is presumably a fair bit more durable than most would give him credit for, though it is inconsistent. It's a video game with a neutral hit point system and damage doesn't scale, so a hit from an embodiment of a truly cosmic threat does no more damage than walking into a Waddle Dee. It doesn't mean he hasn't been shown to withstand quite a bit, just that game mechanics are the suspect here.

To clarify guarding, you can guard indefinitely in any Kirby game I've played with that mechanic (though I haven't played the two most recent ones yet, I've played almost every other). However you still take "chip damage" while guarding ala Street Fighter.

The warp star definitely is faster than light by merit of moving between planets very quickly. (ex. In Milky Way Wishes in Super Star) That would make reacting to it very difficult, especially when it comes to landing a hit, but an "AoE" type of attack would work well... if you're not in the middle of getting pummeled.

And the ending of this video...something just bothers me. And I think it might be this: In the Goku vs Superman battle, they judged Goku's ability to take damage based upon his output force. Well based on that logic, that would mean Buu's final attack is the same strength as the amount of damage he can take. Soo....wouldn't that mean he can survive? I mean it's not like Kirby sucking up the giant energy ball Buu made could possibly make the ball of energy stronger in any means.

They actually point this out explicitly. Boo is literally the only powered character in the series who takes damage from something as mundane as bullets. Boo isn't durable at all, but it seems like that because he regenerates so well.

>Deathbattle says Buu is magical
>Buu needed ki to get out of the sealed ball
>In Goku VS Superman they say "Ki has no connection with magic"

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Ki isn't magic, though. That's the point. Just because Boo is a magical entity that uses ki, that doesn't mean that ki = magic and they're clearly laid out as separate things in the series. Babidi is a powerful wizard, but that doesn't mean that he's a strong fighter. Goku being strong and using ki likewise does not make him a wizard.


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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2014, 05:01:07 PM »

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They actually point this out explicitly. Boo is literally the only powered character in the series who takes damage from something as mundane as bullets. Boo isn't durable at all, but it seems like that because he regenerates so well.
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It didn't damage him any more than it would other powerful DBZ characters. His body just deflected them in a different way. They explicitly say his body has magical properties, remember?

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A rocket launcher still ripped a hole in him, Mike. (Memory might be unclear because it's late, but I'm fairly sure a clip of that was in the video) That's not saying much for his durability.


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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2014, 05:19:23 PM »

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A rocket launcher still ripped a hole in him, Mike. (Memory might be unclear because it's late, but I'm fairly sure a clip of that was in the video) That's not saying much for his durability.
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