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« on: December 01, 2014, 11:16:39 PM »

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There is one thing about DBO which I don't get, and it has to do with the timelines,
now if you don't know how timelines and time travel works in the DB universe here is a quick explanation:
basically in the DB universe there are 2 major timelines, the Future Trunks timeline(we'll call it timeline A) and the normal DB->DBZ->DBO manga timeline(we'll call it timeline B). Ok.
So when trunks from timeline A travelled back, he actually went into another timeline, timeline B, and the way this works is that not all timelines are exactly the same, there's always something different, for example in timeline A doctor gero and android 19 didn't show up, it was android 17 and 18, so there is always atleast one thing different between the timelines,so basically every time you time travel back, you go into a different timeline which as we said has different events.
Why is it when you time travel in DBO, the same events of Timeline B occur, shouldn't the time travelling of DBO have created a timeline C where something different happens? I call plot holes

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2014, 11:33:42 PM »

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I believe you made one mistake before going into your assumption on DBO.
When Trunks travelled back in time, he didn't travel to a different timeline, because there wasn't a different one, there was only one which would have ended up with Goku getting his heart condition and trunks having to travel in time. Once and only once Trunks travelled back, he created a different timeline by changing the course of events. For example, killing frieza while Goku was gonna do it.

So going back to your assumption, you initially don't travel back to a different timeline, you go to the same one, when something changes because of your arrival, then a new timeline gets "created".
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2014, 11:37:08 PM »
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I think timeline A is different from timeline B because Trunks actually changed the story by killing Frieza and doing what he did.
Also when Trunks first came to timeline B, everything was exactly the same as it was in his timeline, it changed later as the story kept going.
In DBO you go back to your timeline after the mission, so you don't really get the chance to see if something is different.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2014, 11:45:15 PM »

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I believe you made one mistake before going into your assumption on DBO.
When Trunks travelled back in time, he didn't travel to a different timeline, because there wasn't a different one, there was only one which would have ended up with Goku getting his heart condition and trunks having to travel in time. Once and only once Trunks travelled back, he created a different timeline by changing the course of events. For example, killing frieza while Goku was gonna do it.

So going back to your assumption, you initially don't travel back to a different timeline, you go to the same one, when something changes because of your arrival, then a new timeline gets "created".
well ok then why isn't a new timeline getting created every time we time travel back?

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2014, 11:56:42 PM »

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I would think that the game was designed so that our current timeline on DBO, is the one already existing because we travel back in time.
Playing with the notion of timetravell could be quite confusing at times since there are no real life facts to take in consideration. However, since all the TMQs and TLQs always end the same way (unless you die/fail on them which doesn't matter cause it's a game, you re-try), I would think the timeline you are on DBO, it's the timeline created because of the timetravells you do with Trunks.

I don't know if you are following me here, what I'm trying to say is that there is only 1 timeline in DBO and it's the result of the TMQs and TLQs you play which all end in 1 and only 1 way always.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2014, 11:57:53 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2014, 12:12:10 AM »
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well ok then why isn't a new timeline getting created every time we time travel back?
How do you know it's not getting created?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 02:30:42 AM »

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How do you know it's not getting created?
a new timeline has to be created, thats basically the law of timelines in DB, when you time travel back you go into a newly created paralell univese....ughhhhh...Time travel is so confusing!

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a new timeline has to be created, thats basically the law of timelines in DB, when you time travel back you go into a newly created paralell univese....ughhhhh...Time travel is so confusing!
Yeah and you said in DBO a new timeline is not getting created when we travel back in time, how do you know that?
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2014, 04:10:26 AM »

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Yeah and you said in DBO a new timeline is not getting created when we travel back in time, how do you know that?

I think it's mentioned in the backstory.

After all, if that were the case, it wouldn't really matter sending everyone back in time to prevent Miira from messing with history, since that timeline would still be all messed up.
Perhaps it has something to do with the Kaioshin of Time working with the Time Patrol?

...Either way, Doc Brown will not be pleased.


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I think it's mentioned in the backstory.

After all, if that were the case, it wouldn't really matter sending everyone back in time to prevent Miira from messing with history, since that timeline would still be all messed up.
Perhaps it has something to do with the Kaioshin of Time working with the Time Patrol?

...Either way, Doc Brown will not be pleased.
Well, you kinda fix that timeline like Trunks did in DBZ. It wouldn't really be messed up, there would just be some differences I guess, at least that's how I see it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2014, 04:20:57 AM »

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Well, you kinda fix that timeline like Trunks did in DBZ. It wouldn't really be messed up, there would just be some differences I guess, at least that's how I see it.

But Trunks' timeline was still in ruin... not to mention Cell's "Darkest Timeline" scenario.
Remember, that's why Trunks joined the Time Patrol... as punishment for him screwing around with history.


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Yeah, so you go back in time to not let Miira take over that timeline I guess.
You can't really know if there are differences in the two timelines since you just go back in time to fight Miira's army and then you get back.
So in my opinion you actually create a new timeline when you travel back in time.
Meh this is confusing. :S
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2014, 04:40:56 AM »

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In DBO you go back in time to restore the actual timeline, so in my opinion you don't create another one.
Hmm no wait, you always alter something by time-travelling tho, even if minimal...yeah it's confusing.
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theres 4 timelines on dbz and this game takes place in the normal timeline followed by the manga

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I'm too lazy to read all the posts but I do think there's a timeline C in DBO but it remains the same. We're currently at timeline B while questing, leveling, etc. but when we travel back we go to timeline C since it got changed by the antagonists (can't remember the names) and we change it back making timeline C end up with the same results as timeline B.

We would still return to timeline B after the TMQ, like Trunks returned to timeline A in the anime/manga after defeating Cell, but a timeline C would be created with a different story, yet with the same results. I guess Trunks is able to travel freely between the different timelines and so are we but I'm not sure about that last part.
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It is widely believed that if time travel existed and was executed, you wouldn't be travelling to the same dimension. You would be travelling to an entirely different dimension and universe. One that is very very similar to the one you were in, except one thing changes. You appear there. Ever since your appearance things in that timeline will change, based on how much you interact and modify on that dimension.

That's why Trunks travels to ye old DBZ timeline and modify it enough for Cell to be defeated, but his original timeline is still screwed. Sure he goes and defeats Cell, but Gohan and millions are still dead.

In DBO, the universe where you're at is Universe A. You do the TMQs and go back to ye old DBZ timeline, Universe B(watch out, this is not the same universe where Trunks travelled alone. This is one where you go back too). Trunks, with his knowledge of Time Travel did the necessary changes for the timeline to be "restored", one similar to Universe A, but it's not Universe A. It's Universe C, actually. One where you appear there by time travel. This is a change that didn't happen in Universe A, so it's another dimension.

Multiverse theory is fun. It says that there is a lot of different universes where every possible reality is taking place. There is one where triceratops took over the world, developed advanced technology and they are playing DBOR right now :(

Now there is a reason why time travel is frowned upon by science, and why it doesn't exist. It has holes itself. The multiverse theory can be derived and explained from a simple paradox.
A man has a time machine. He grabs a gun and goes back to kill his grand father before his father could be born.
So his father wasn't born. That means he wasn't born. That means his didn't travel back in time to kill his grandfather. That means his father was born. That means he was born. That means he did go back in time.

See where im going? A horrible paradox. The answer? Multiverse. In one dimension he wasn't born, but in another one he was.


But don't try to apply real complicated physics to manga, anime and games. Don't even try to go in with time travel, which we can't even explain it IRL.
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But don't try to apply real complicated physics to manga, anime and games. Don't even try to go in with time travel, which we can't even explain it IRL.

Dragon Ball is based on reality!?



But I think what you're saying is exactly what is creating the confusion.
In DBZ, Trunks went back in time creating a multiverse.
But in DBO, it seems you go back in time, and keep history from changing, despite the fact that it's already been altered, and there doesn't seem to be a split in time, thus resulting in a paradox.

Or maybe it's just a case of Toriyama saying "Screw it! I don't need explanations!"
...which, knowing him, is the likeliest scenario.


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Na, you are right Nia. The story says it clearly, there is a timeline and you must help trunks to fight Towa and Miira so that they don't change that timeline.
It's a game afterall, it won't go through a lot of physics laws or anything.

So, really there is only 1 timeline, you are not changing anything because that timeline exists as a result of your travels (TMQ/TLQ) which each of them always end the same way.
So yep, problem "solved".
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Na, you are right Nia. The story says it clearly, there is a timeline and you must help trunks to fight Towa and Miira so that they don't change that timeline.
It's a game afterall, it won't go through a lot of physics laws or anything.

So, really there is only 1 timeline, you are not changing anything because that timeline exists as a result of your travels (TMQ/TLQ) which each of them always end the same way.
So yep, problem "solved".

Or that. You shouldn't try to apply theoretical physics in a game where you blast heat waves from your hands, change the color of your hair, ancient races breeding with human race, etc etc.