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« on: November 17, 2014, 06:01:39 AM »
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Ah Dragonball Z. It is perhaps one of the greatest things that I could have come across at a young age. As I dove deeper and deeper into the fandom of it I came across some...disturbing things that make me facepalm so much. Here's a recent, prime example...or two.

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Now granted this guy is a good artist and friend of mine, but I can't help but wonder how he manages to keep his sanity when doing these commissions. Now I ask you what good, bad, and ugly things have you came across in the DBZ/GT/etc fandom?

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 06:07:37 AM »
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Dbz fandom is actually one of the least disturbing I've come across.

Sure, there's a bunch of immature faggots doing pretend kamehamehas and shit, but its nowhere near as bad as stuff I've seen in MLP communities for example e.e
Oh god don't remind me. D:

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 06:11:02 AM »

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Sonic & MLP communities are without doubt the worst.

The DBZ community as a whole can be pretty annoying a lot of the time. But its nothing too bad.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 06:11:55 AM »
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Sonic fandom is also a hellava lot worse than dbz.

Sure there's outliers like your friend there, but all in all I don't think there's too much to complain about.
Well yes and no. I've came across some weird stuff. Some people just use DBZ material to create lovey dovey junk, and others come up with immature stuff like SSJ6 and such. The "offspring" of the main characters really tend to annoy me sometimes as well.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 06:13:11 AM »
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2 words.

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Wow...just wow.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2014, 06:14:39 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 06:16:15 AM »

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Even when you say something good aobut him they rage lol.
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Even when you say something good aobut him they rage lol.
The amount of times I see fights just because ppl don't think he is funny/their fav YouTuber...
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2014, 06:26:22 AM »

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Im kinda feel sorry for you that you found him.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 06:27:18 AM »

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Should I be ashamed that I've never watched any of his vids and I just found out about him for the first time a few months ago?
Don't try to get infected. He is overrated as heck. The screaming in his videos...I swear its just so annoying..

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C'mon, he can't be any more insufferable than reviewtechusa or the game grumps...
ReviewTech is such a hypocrite and has too many click bait videos. Grep is funny :(

He is worse.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2014, 06:28:51 AM »

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Good Lord, this thread isn't about why you hate a certain other fandom, just about the weird shit you've seen in the Dragon Ball fandom. Granted, most of the weird shit I've seen is in other fandoms, but I think that's mostly because other series turn into an outlet for sexual deviancy.

The stupidity in the Dragon Ball fandom has little to do with that by comparison. Most of it, rather, is the fact that too many fans only like the series for power levels and other naughtyword like that instead of enjoying aspects of the series beyond that. Those types of people are the one of the most insufferable parts of any fandom if you ask me since they only care about the most superficial aspect of a series. On top of that, they also tend to blow Dragon Ball on the whole completely out of proportion when they want to actually have a debate, because none of them even know how to debate to begin with.

Another thing that bothers me is the number of fans who produce fanworks purely for wish fulfilment, and the people who project themselves onto characters, wishing they were as powerful and badass as they are when they never stop to acknowledge the negative parts of the characters' lives. Or the ones who just want to be a Saiyan to be super powerful or whatever.

A lot of aspects of Dragon Ball's fandom drive me nuts, but honestly, if we could just get rid of the people who only want to discuss power levels, I think I wouldn't hate it so much.


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The worst part of the DBZ fandom?

The people who actually believe the crappy FUNImation dub is the "definitive version" of DBZ.
Not sure how something that's almost the polar opposite of the original source is the ultimate version, but whatever...
It's just irritating watching them defend something that even the people who worked on it considered to be of poor quality.
And if you don't like the FUNI dub? Boy, will they go out of their way to scream at you about the version you do like.
And don't even mention the Ocean dub to them... they'll even deny the simple fact that it wasn't Christopher Sabat who voiced the famous OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND line that became so famous... or that the first three movies are perfect indications of how to properly dub an anime.

That being said, the sub-purists are pretty bad too. When the FUNI dub actually does something right (particularly the Kai dub, which is reasonably accurate, and hired the excellent Chris Ayres to voice Freeza), they'll refuse to see it, simply because it's not the Japanese version.
Of course, that's not just DBZ fandom, but they still have a part in it.


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How can a dub be the definitive version of a series in the first place? I don't see any as the definitive version of a series.
I never even watched more than a few eps of db/dbz in english. Subbed is just so much better... (inb4 flamers)
How can a sub be the definitive version of a series? Its just purely an opinion.


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How can a dub be the definitive version of a series in the first place?

I never even watched more than a few eps of db/dbz in english. Subbed is just so much better... (inb4 flamers)

Well, in the case of Code: Geass and YuYu Hakusho, the dubs are actually considered to be the definitive versions.

Japanese audiences felt it fit better with Code: Geass, and from a contextual standpoint, it makes more sense. That and they felt Johnny Yong-Bosch was better at hamming it up as Zero than Jun Fukuyama.

YuYu Hakusho's creator actually stated the dub was closer to what he had in mind for the series. So, that one is inarguable.

That being said, yeah... gimme the Japanese version of DBZ any day over the dub...
Except those first three movies, because Ocean knocked that clean outta the park.

Unless we're talking about the Big Green dub, of course. That's CLEARLY the superior version. XD


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If anything the manga should be considered the "definitive" version of a series. So in yuyu hakusho and code:gayass's case, I think the japs would prolly consider the manga over a dubbed anime...
I wasn't aware that the manga had voice acting  :o

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If anything the manga should be considered the "definitive" version of a series. So in yuyu hakusho and code:gayass's case, I think the japs would prolly consider the manga over a dubbed anime...

You could argue that with YYH, but Code: Geass was an anime first.

And I was referring only to the TV series in this case. There was no need to mention the original Dragon Ball manga, since it has no bearing on the dub whatsoever.


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When exactly did I say the manga had voice acting? >.>
The conversation was about voice acting like dub vs sub and such. :X

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Noooo, it was about which was the "definitive" version of a series. Meaning which is most true to the source material.

No, it really was about the sub vs. dub debate.
You think FUNI fans can read?

I was saying how they claim the FUNI dub is the definitive version.
At what point did I ever say the Japanese version of the anime is the definitive version?


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Part of the reason why I prefer dub over sub is the fact I grew up with it. Yeah that's a poor excuse, but I'm well aware of the Funi dub having some flaws. I owned the first 3 Dragon Box sets and I could see lip sync errors. One scene even had the Japanese voice of Piccolo in the background of his Funi voice (I was like WTF?!).

But yeah I find the whole debate over which is better to be a complete waste of time. Same for the power level crap, and don't get me started on the fan characters people make. I've seen some poorly made stuff and it made me want to puke. :/

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I was actually a dbz hater as a kid xD

Me and my dad would always make fun of it saying that half of the time all they do is stand around screaming/ sounding constipated xDD

I guess its a perfect example of "don't knock it til you try it" since both me and my father started watching it from the beginning, we got really invested in it.
Dragonball Z is considered the first anime I've ever seen in my lifetime. It's like Nintendo. I just stuck to me. I'm mature enough to admit that the dub has some flaws, but then again everything has flaws.

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I think it's pointless to argue dubs vs subs most of the time. People are typically too set in stone to see the other person's side of the argument. The most we can do is try to meet down the middle somewhere and just accept one another for their differences.

Granted, it would have really helped if the dub had been more accurate. It honestly does feel like watching a different series sometimes and I think it's probably the biggest rift in the fandom as a result of it. It's little wonder dub and sub fans rarely get along, but I see no point trying to convert one side or another.


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