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« on: November 06, 2014, 07:58:09 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 07:58:50 AM »

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Goku, no contest.


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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 07:59:28 AM »

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Even though Dragon Ball is constantly blown out of proportion when it comes to how powerful the characters are, there isn't even a competition here.


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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 08:01:13 AM »

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The answer is obvious. Goku, of course.

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 08:01:34 AM »

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Not even 10 Moons Naruto is close to Frieza Saga Goku.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 08:08:54 AM »

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Goku can destroy planets. The others?

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 08:12:43 AM »

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Sure...compare a guy who could blow up a planet with a sneeze against others who can't xD

Goku wins this. BUT since it's too mainstream and i love One Piece i voted for Luffy  ;D
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Naruto wins thanks to poor writing and asspulls. 8)

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2014, 08:56:14 AM »

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Sure...compare a guy who could blow up a planet with a sneeze against others who can't xD

Goku wins this. BUT since it's too mainstream and i love One Piece i voted for Luffy  ;D

More than 1/8 of Japan's population atleast owns 1 copy of One Peice manga.

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2014, 09:16:51 AM »

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More than 1/8 of Japan's population atleast owns 1 copy of One Peice manga.

Underrated my ass.

Naruto and Bleach both sell better in America and have higher ratings on Toonami. It's probably due to 4Kids poisoning the well early on, but it is less popular over here.


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Naruto and Bleach both sell better in America and have higher ratings on Toonami. It's probably due to 4Kids poisoning the well early on, but it is less popular over here.

4kids pretty much ruined a lot of things.

*cough* makingpopoblue *cough*




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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 09:25:07 AM »

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4kids pretty much ruined a lot of things.

*cough* makingpopoblue *cough*

That's hardly the worst of what they've done. Dragon Ball had been established in America long before the 4Kids edits, and there's a better version of Kai's dub on Nicktoons anyway.


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4kids pretty much ruined a lot of things.

*cough* makingpopoblue *cough*

*cough* Sonic X *cough*


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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 09:35:32 AM »

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*cough* Sonic X *cough*

*cough* andeverythingelse4kidshaveputout *cough*

Wow, damn, I need a breather after THAT one.

See how evil 4kids is? They making me lose my breath talking about how evil they are.




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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2014, 10:02:50 AM »

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Wow someone with the ability to blow up a planet, versus those who cannot, I wonder who will win?!

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2014, 10:09:13 AM »

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Silly Bardock, the Death Note clearly says "The human whose name is written in this notebook shall die."

Goku's not human, so it wouldn't work on him.


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Silly Bardock, the Death Note clearly says "The human whose name is written in this notebook shall die."

Goku's not human, so it wouldn't work on him.

Actually, he is. The human-like aliens in Dragon Ball are considered human for one reason or another. It usually doesn't make it into translation, but that's the way it's phrased in Japanese. He's human, just not an Earthling.


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Actually, he is. The human-like aliens in Dragon Ball are considered human for one reason or another. It usually doesn't make it into translation, but that's the way it's phrased in Japanese. He's human, just not an Earthling.

Doesn't Xenoverse kinda make that questionable, since the Human and Saiyajin races are separate?
While I concede they're humanoid, I wouldn't actually call them human.
Besides, wouldn't that mean Shinigami would fall under the same category, since they are Human-like?

For that matter, would it even work on someone who's died before?
If memory serves, the Death Note won't work on someone who's supposed to die before that time.

Besides, Light would still have to know Goku's name, and we don't know if Son Goku would appear or Kakarotto.
See, this is the kind of stuff that keeps me awake at night. >.>


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Doesn't Xenoverse kinda make that questionable, since the Human and Saiyajin races are separate?
While I concede they're humanoid, I wouldn't actually call them human.
Besides, wouldn't that mean Shinigami would fall under the same category, since they are Human-like?

For that matter, would it even work on someone who's died before?
If memory serves, the Death Note won't work on someone who's supposed to die before that time.

Besides, Light would still have to know Goku's name, and we don't know if Son Goku would appear or Kakarotto.
See, this is the kind of stuff that keeps me awake at night. >.>

When did Xenoverse become canon?

Shinigami aren't human because they're not established as such in Death Note. The shinigami in Bleach probably count as human, but I have no idea. There's a thread on Kanzenshuu where this is examined in detail by someone who actually speaks Japanese.


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When did Xenoverse become canon?

Shinigami aren't human because they're not established as such in Death Note. The shinigami in Bleach probably count as human, but I have no idea. There's a thread on Kanzenshuu where this is examined in detail by someone who actually speaks Japanese.

It didn't, but the point remains valid.
Especially since in the series, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten are referred to as a hybrid, right? So, even if XV isn't canon, the point remains.

As for the rest, I've seen enough translations to know that in a few of those cases, the word "human" isn't explicitly used, it's merely the translation that person used. For instance, in the Ginyu bit, the translation is usually "someone who can change their battle power freely" or "a person who can change their battle power freely."

They also made the mistake of saying #17 and #18 aren't human, they're androids.
However, this is most certainly not true. They most certainly ARE human. They're cyborgs, built from a human base; a pair of teenagers who were forcibly given cybernetic implants.
The way that was interpreted is highly questionable, since the dialogue says "into the humans they were before" not "into humans." After all, one could argue that Goku reverting into his normal form from a transformation could be considered "turning into the Saiyajin he was before."

While all of that could certainly be used as evidence in your argument (I'm not completely discounting it), the fact remains that the Death Note itself explicitly says it only works on humans. That means it doesn't effect other lifeforms, and Shinigami are never seen or even mentioned as using their Death Notes to eliminate other beings, only humans.
If you took a Saiyajin and placed them into the Death Note universe, I'm fairly certain someone like Light would immediately come to the conclusion that they "look human, but definitely are not."

Besides, if that weren't the case, wouldn't DBO have just called the Human race Saiyajin? I mean, it was always something for the fans, and they'd undoubtedly squeal in delight with the idea they're playing as a Saiyajin.


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As for the rest, I've seen enough translations to know that in a few of those cases, the word "human" isn't explicitly used, it's merely the translation that person used. For instance, in the Ginyu bit, the translation is usually "someone who can change their battle power freely" or "a person who can change their battle power freely."

They also made the mistake of saying #17 and #18 aren't human, they're androids.
However, this is most certainly not true. They most certainly ARE human. They're cyborgs, built from a human base; a pair of teenagers who were forcibly given cybernetic implants.
The way that was interpreted is highly questionable, since the dialogue says "into the humans they were before" not "into humans." After all, one could argue that Goku reverting into his normal form from a transformation could be considered "turning into the Saiyajin he was before."

While all of that could certainly be used as evidence in your argument (I'm not completely discounting it), the fact remains that the Death Note itself explicitly says it only works on humans. That means it doesn't effect other lifeforms, and Shinigami are never seen or even mentioned as using their Death Notes to eliminate other beings, only humans.
If you took a Saiyajin and placed them into the Death Note universe, I'm fairly certain someone like Light would immediately come to the conclusion that they "look human, but definitely are not."

Besides, if that weren't the case, wouldn't DBO have just called the Human race Saiyajin? I mean, it was always something for the fans, and they'd undoubtedly squeal in delight with the idea they're playing as a Saiyajin.

If I'm not mistaken, the term used in those instances is "ningen", which is pretty much a catch-all for humans in Japanese. Cyborgs aren't humans because they're "jinzoningen" -- artificial humans.

It's an odd concept given the variety of characters in Dragon Ball and most series don't use a similar convention. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that does something similar is Zelda. For instance, Gerudos, Hylians, and "normal humans" (the ones with rounded ears) are all human. There's also no special word for the normal, round eared humans, like how there's no specific term for normal humans from Dragon Ball outside of "Earthling". Other people, like the Gorons, are still people, but not humans. (Gohan is consistently described as being half Earthling and half Saiyan if memory serves)

It's a bit jarring because it's not something that normally shows up when you deal with science fiction tropes like aliens. It would be like Star Trek called Earthlings, Vulcans, and Klingons all "humans" as an umbrella term. I'd imagine it has something to do with the way Japanese as a language works compared to English, or perhaps it has something to do with their culture.

All things said and done, the same word used to describe Goku ("ningen") is also used in that rule about how you can use the Death Note if my memory isn't shoddy today.


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If I'm not mistaken, the term used in those instances is "ningen", which is pretty much a catch-all for humans in Japanese. Cyborgs aren't humans because they're "jinzoningen" -- artificial humans.

It's an odd concept given the variety of characters in Dragon Ball and most series don't use a similar convention. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that does something similar is Zelda. For instance, Gerudos, Hylians, and "normal humans" (the ones with rounded ears) are all human. There's also no special word for the normal, round eared humans, like how there's no specific term for normal humans from Dragon Ball outside of "Earthling". Other people, like the Gorons, are still people, but not humans. (Gohan is consistently described as being half Earthling and half Saiyan if memory serves)

It's a bit jarring because it's not something that normally shows up when you deal with science fiction tropes like aliens. It would be like Star Trek called Earthlings, Vulcans, and Klingons all "humans" as an umbrella term. I'd imagine it has something to do with the way Japanese as a language works compared to English, or perhaps it has something to do with their culture.

All things said and done, the same word used to describe Goku ("ningen") is also used in that rule about how you can use the Death Note if my memory isn't shoddy today.

Geurdo can mate with Hylians and Saiyans with Humans.

Saiyans are naturally more powerful than humans.. but as a point for whatever side, Saiyans can become Gaint Monkeys and Humans will never be able too..

I honestly wouldn't know if Light could or not.




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Wait, are there humans with rounded ears in Zelda? I actually can't think of any.

Anyway, on that page, I noticed they also referred at one point to Namekians being human, which I definitely can't consider as being correct. Again, they translated the word there simply as "human" even though it could be read as "person."
In no way can I consider a Namekian to be the same as a human, since everything about them other than their basic shape seems to be very different.

I'd say Saiyajin, Namekians, and what-have-you are generally humanoid or human-like, but it seems out of place to just call them humans.
In Goku's case, he almost always seems to say "I'm an Earthling!" not "I'm a human!" so I have to think the translator on that page is simply trying to only use his own definitions, especially since Goku frequently says stuff like "I'm a Saiyajin raised on Earth."
If memory serves, what he says in Japanese is "Chikyuujin" which is "Earthling," merely implying (following the arrival of Raditz) that he's from Earth, not that he's human.

I think in this case, it's safe to assume human is just a blanket term for human-like beings, a misuse of a word that would be a better fit with humanoid.

Doesn't really matter though, we went waaaaaaaaaaay off topic. XD


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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."