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« on: August 07, 2014, 03:52:19 AM »

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Ok. I am here to settle this debate! Here it goes. The Movie Battle of Gods happened after the buu saga but before the GT saga. Which mean Goku was able to go god form first. Does that mean ssj4 is stronger? God mode made its first appearance in this movie which was made after GT so nobody knew about it. But the question still lingers. So technicaly he could go into god form in GT. But is ssj4 stronger?
Come on people, Goku turned super saiyan 3 in the movie and was beaten by one "soft" hit by Bills. Would it make a difference if he was SSJ4? And quote this "What Bills says is that what everyone calls "Ki" doesn't work with Gods." THEREFORE even SSJ4's power won't work with Bills. SSJG can equal and surpass Bills, we can anticipate this in the movies to come and SSJ4 which is not God, cannot use his ki on Bills. "SSJ4" is just toothpick to Bills and SSJG, BY THE WAY, since SSJG is GOD, SSJ4's ki won't work on him as well. ANSWER THAT NOW. Base GT Goku=SSJ3 DBZ Goku

SSJ4 GT Goku is, therefore, 4000x stronger than SSJ3 DBZ Goku

SSJ3 Movie 14 Goku>SSJ3 DBZ Goku

SSJ4 GT Goku is, therefore, <4000x (less than 4000 times) stronger than SSJ3 M14 Goku

Bills>>>>SSJ3 M14 Goku>SSJ3 DBZ Goku

Since we do not know whether Bills or SSJ God Goku is 4000x stronger or less or more than SSJ3 M14 Goku, we cannot state if SSJ4 Goku is stronger or weaker than SSJ God Goku. Thus, I state that SSJ God is stronger due to the fact he was able to equal Bills, the God of Destruction, who was said to be able to destroy a galaxy. The SSJ God form also lets Goku use godly ki, which beats any variation of normal ki which SSJ4 utilizes.
    
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 04:00:13 AM »
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Seriously? No love for Whis? D:

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2014, 04:04:33 AM »

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GT isn't Canon, so I wouldn't bother even comparing SSJGod and SSJ4. In BOG, they had a moment which completely cuts off GT. So it literally cancels it out. There is no GT in actual DBZ universe.

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 04:10:01 AM »

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Lol it was too much tryna find whis stuff.
    
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 04:13:21 AM »
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Lol it was too much tryna find whis stuff.
Seriously? Whis is Beerus' teacher. Beerus flat out said so himself. Not only that, but he gets one shot by Whis. Hell AKIRA flat out stated Whis was stronger. When asked how strong the characters were he gave the following:

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

GT isn't Canon, so I wouldn't bother even comparing SSJGod and SSJ4. In BOG, they had a moment which completely cuts off GT. So it literally cancels it out. There is no GT in actual DBZ universe.
The thing about "DB canon" is that it isn't set and stone. Even in the original manga there were plot holes here and there, so it had its own moments of confusion. Sure GT wasn't written by Akira Toriyama, but it still has some sense of canon to the series. That and Akira enjoyed it saying it was a good "side story."

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 04:20:01 AM »

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I think GT ruined everything Z built up on. Yeah, it was fun to watch. Glad it was made as well.

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 04:22:45 AM »
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I think GT ruined everything Z built up on. Yeah, it was fun to watch. Glad it was made as well.
It was a good watch. No as good as DBZ or DB, but it was still a good watch.

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 04:26:14 AM »

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Well ok Whis is way stronger than both.

Whis>Berrus>SSJG Goku
                 
    
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 04:27:28 AM »

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Yeah pretty much. You wouldn't have expected it during your first time watching BoG.

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 04:28:41 AM »
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Yeah pretty much. You wouldn't have expected it during your first time watching BoG.
Well someone has to keep the God of Destruction under control. lol

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Him and the other gods. i wonder who is number one.
    
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2014, 04:41:37 AM »

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Him and the other gods. i wonder who is number one.

We'll find out in the new movies! :) Hopefully.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2014, 05:13:40 AM »

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Honestly, they aren't in the same world. It's too hard for us to even come up with a clear answer. It's like saying Goku vs Superman all over again. ( In a way).

Two different stories and 2 different worlds.

But if i had to say. I would say God.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 05:22:38 AM »
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The fact that God is able to allow Goku to fight on par with Beerus when he flat out stated that not even a fusion between him and Vegeta would be able to take down Beerus has to mean something. Not only that, but we have to remember that deity ki is on a whole other level from regular ki, which SSJ4 uses.

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The fact that God is able to allow Goku to fight on par with Beerus when he flat out stated that not even a fusion between him and Vegeta would be able to take down Beerus has to mean something. Not only that, but we have to remember that deity ki is on a whole other level from regular ki, which SSJ4 uses.

Not really on Par because Bills was only using 80% of his strength. Imagine he used the full 100% Goku would've been done a long time ago.

Also, a little off topic but i don't think we would see a fusion with goku and vegeta ever again. The Pride has been set.

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2014, 05:33:44 AM »

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Well Goku got his SSJ God form only because all others share their KI with him.
After Goku get that he can use it again, but if he want to use that form again, it won't be strong as it is in 1st place, only because Goku can't get all that ki and PL that use to have in fight vs Bills.
On another hand, you can see in movie that Bills was a little stronger than Goku.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

Read this. Goku have ssj god power inside and he still need power of others to get level he use to have in fight vs Bills.

SSJ God > SSJ4
Why? More Ki, more power, stamina..... More everything.
SSJ4 is just stabile full power up of SSJ3.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2014, 06:04:10 AM »

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Ssj 4 is better ssj god looks like a glorified kaiokken

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2014, 06:12:06 AM »

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Super Saiyan 4 is better looking than SSJG. I never liked GT but I always liked how the SSJ4 looked. The only reasons I would like SSJG more is because
1. It's canon
2. It looks like kaioken (one of my favorite power ups during the show)

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ssj 4 does look better i love how they gave them like red fur, tail and their hair wasnt gold.
    
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ssj 4 does look better i love how they gave them like red fur, tail and their hair wasnt gold.
Exactly, the concept of SSJ4 was better. SSJG seemed like he threw something together in 2 minutes. I'm glad it doesn't look overpowered like I imagined the transformation to be.

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Exactly, the concept of SSJ4 was better. SSJG seemed like he threw something together in 2 minutes. I'm glad it doesn't look overpowered like I imagined the transformation to be.

They actually spent a lot of time on working on SSJGod's look.

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LOl it looks like kio ken but goku hair actually turn red but in kio ken he just has red aura.
    
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2014, 06:22:35 AM »

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I didn't really like the model.

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2014, 06:23:33 AM »

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This subject doesn't really need an explanation...

The movie itself explains the difference between normal and god ki.

Though, I'm sure someone will come up with@ss-pull  reason to why ss4 wins.

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2014, 06:35:58 AM »
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I find it absolutely STUPID that you guys would go "GT is stupid it isn't canon hur hur hur" but when you look at SSJ God (which is not only canon, but was actually designed by Akira himself) you gripe about it and compare it to KoK and want something better. Just be glad that it didn't look like its first suggestion, where Goku would have been more muscular, having hair between SSJ3 and SSJ4, and wearing a freaken cape.