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How did Bardock travel back in time?
« on: July 28, 2014, 08:49:56 AM »

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I really have no idea how, there's no real answer online. I've read about some sort of black hole theory which really doesn't make sense. In the first Bardock special, the attack Frieza uses to destroy planet Vegeta and kill Bardock is called Super Nova.

Super Nova's can create black holes. Don't really know if that's true, but I'm assuming it is. However, that doesn't mean black holes can create a passage through time. So what are your thoughts?

I believe it has something to do with the power to see the future that Bardock was cursed with. Somehow it allowed him to travel back in time, to grant themselves a second chance perhaps?

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Nahh it is Super Nova that send him back in time.
Plus it is his destiny. Legendary SSJ.

Dark Hole - if object enter it with high speed it can travel back or in future.

Still no one ever test it because dark hole force is just too strong.

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 09:00:12 AM »
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I really have no idea how, there's no real answer online. I've read about some sort of black hole theory which really doesn't make sense. In the first Bardock special, the attack Frieza uses to destroy planet Vegeta and kill Bardock is called Super Nova.

Super Nova's can create black holes. Don't really know if that's true, but I'm assuming it is. However, that doesn't mean black holes can create a passage through time. So what are your thoughts?

I believe it has something to do with the power to see the future that Bardock was cursed with. Somehow it allowed him to travel back in time, to grant themselves a second chance perhaps?

Well honestly if you went through a black hole the gravity will pull you apart....and you will be fried from the heat...and crushed by mass of gravity not even light can escape well maybe if bardock went pass those somehow :o he ended up 200 something years in the future
                            

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From what I've heard Episode of Bardock is part of Dragon Ball Heroes, so maybe it explains somewhere in there.

Of course, since the release of Dragon Ball Minus, the Bardock TV special has been reduced to being non-canon, as the only thing that matches up with the manga now is Bardock's death.

So, I guess... convenient plot device is convenient?

Of course, either way, Toriyama had nothing to do with Episode of Bardock, so what can you do?


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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 09:09:25 AM »

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Vegeta said that the original SSJ couldn't control himself. He destroyed the original home planet of the Saiya-jins. Few managed to escape and crash landed on the Tuffle planet which they took over and later turned to Planet Vegeta.

So if this is true, this must have happened years after Bardock died after traveling to the past. So I doubt Bardock is the SSJ in the legend that Vegeta was talking about. He might have been the first SSJ, but he wasn't the one in the legend.

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Well honestly if you went through a black hole the gravity will pull you apart....and you will be fried from the heat...and crushed by mass of gravity not even light can escape

Let's not forget that we saw Bardock being ripped apart lol.

Post Merge: July 28, 2014, 09:14:27 AM
Of course, either way, Toriyama had nothing to do with Episode of Bardock, so what can you do?

He kind of did, with the manga version.



Post Merge: July 28, 2014, 09:18:45 AM
Now that I think of it, it couldn't have been Frieza's Super Nova attack that sent him back in time. He's probably used that attack many times, so has he sent a lot more people to the past than we think? And besides, why only Bardock, if it was the attack, wouldn't the rest of the Saiya-jins on Planet Vegeta be sent back as well?
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 09:28:20 AM »

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He kind of did, with the manga version.

Despite what it says on the cover about him directing the manga, he only basically gave the okay to make it (much like GT).
Ooishi Naho did the entirety of it.


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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2014, 10:23:04 AM »

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Despite what it says on the cover about him directing the manga, he only basically gave the okay to make it (much like GT).
Ooishi Naho did the entirety of it.

But certainly he wouldn't have allowed them to potentially mess up something like this right? Oh wait, nvm.... GT.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 04:30:50 PM »
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I found a rather good fan-dub of the Bardock Special, you can see it here.


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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 04:49:19 PM »

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The fan-dub of Episode of Bardock was pretty good...
Although Bardock's voice actor gave a really lame yell during the SSJ transformation scene.


"I am the bone of my sword
 Steel is my body and fire is my blood
 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2014, 04:52:15 PM »
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Vegeta said that the original SSJ couldn't control himself. He destroyed the original home planet of the Saiya-jins. Few managed to escape and crash landed on the Tuffle planet which they took over and later turned to Planet Vegeta.

So if this is true, this must have happened years after Bardock died after traveling to the past. So I doubt Bardock is the SSJ in the legend that Vegeta was talking about. He might have been the first SSJ, but he wasn't the one in the legend.

Post Merge: July 28, 2014, 09:10:01 AM
Let's not forget that we saw Bardock being ripped apart lol.

Post Merge: July 28, 2014, 09:14:27 AM
He kind of did, with the manga version.



Post Merge: July 28, 2014, 09:18:45 AM
Now that I think of it, it couldn't have been Frieza's Super Nova attack that sent him back in time. He's probably used that attack many times, so has he sent a lot more people to the past than we think? And besides, why only Bardock, if it was the attack, wouldn't the rest of the Saiya-jins on Planet Vegeta be sent back as well?


You mean the super saiyan legend? Or the legendary super saiyan also known as Brolly....
                            

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2014, 04:53:32 PM »

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I found a rather good fan-dub of the Bardock Special, you can see it here.



For some reason the first time I watched that it seemed much longer.

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2014, 04:57:00 PM »
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I think it would be cool if Toriyama did a second series, like a prequel that focuses on Bardock's life before that fateful event where he confronted Frieza, how he meets Gine, gets with his team, and everything, Bardock is one of those characters you just want to know more about, to see more about, that and I would love to see a series that focuses around the Saiyans while they were still in their prime as a race.

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I think it would be cool if Toriyama did a second series, like a prequel that focuses on Bardock's life before that fateful event where he confronted Frieza, how he meets Gine, gets with his team, and everything, Bardock is one of those characters you just want to know more about, to see more about, that and I would love to see a series that focuses around the Saiyans while they were still in their prime as a race.

You mean stuff that leads up to the events of Dragon Ball Minus (and preferably showing Bardock and Gine's final fate, Toriyama style)?
I would totally love to see that.


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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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You mean stuff that leads up to the events of Dragon Ball Minus (and preferably showing Bardock and Gine's final fate, Toriyama style)?
I would totally love to see that.

yup. I think there needs to be more official Female Saiyans in the Dragon Ball Universe. By my count there's 4 total. And 2 are Demi-Saiyans. There's Fasha, Gine, Pan, and Bulla (I don't like calling her Bra.)

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yup. I think there needs to be more official Female Saiyans in the Dragon Ball Universe. By my count there's 4 total. And 2 are Demi-Saiyans. There's Fasha, Gine, Pan, and Bulla (I don't like calling her Bra.)

Well, given that Seripa (Fasha in the dub) is now non-canon thank to minus, it's actually 3.  :-\

But yeah, I wouldn't complain to more female Saiyajin.

But since I'm delusional, and refer to the humans as Saiyajin in DBO, that kinda satisfies the quota. XD


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 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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Well, given that Seripa (Fasha in the dub) is now non-canon thank to minus, it's actually 3.  :-\

But yeah, I wouldn't complain to more female Saiyajin.

But since I'm delusional, and refer to the humans as Saiyajin in DBO, that kinda satisfies the quota. XD

Ah I didn't know they made Seripa/Fasha non-canon. Also didn't all the humans in DBO have a bit of Saiyan blood in them? Cause all of them, are descended from Goku and Vegeta, but the blood has been diluted over time so it's only like 1 or 2% Saiyan?

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Ah I didn't know they made Seripa/Fasha non-canon. Also didn't all the humans in DBO have a bit of Saiyan blood in them? Cause all of them, are descended from Goku and Vegeta, but the blood has been diluted over time so it's only like 1 or 2% Saiyan?

Yeah. Since Dragon Ball Minus basically overwrites the TV special, Seripa is presumably non-canon as she (and the rest of Bardock's team) are nowhere to be found in it.
That's not to say I'm 100% sure she's non-canon, but it's safe to assume, until it's mentioned otherwise.

And in the case of DBO's Saiyajin...
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Hey my character Celeri is a full blooded Saiyan. She was sent forward through time after her pod hit a time space anomaly. cause I wanted a way for a full blooded Saiyan to survive the destruction of Planet Vegeta, and a female at that.

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Hey my character Celeri is a full blooded Saiyan. She was sent forward through time after her pod hit a time space anomaly. cause I wanted a way for a full blooded Saiyan to survive the destruction of Planet Vegeta, and a female at that.

That's the spirit! XD


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Although the 1st bardock special became non-canon, it could be that thanks to the super nova and time warping theory, Bardock could have f***ed everything up causing an explosive ripple in history...

Bardock (1st timeline [ i will put 1 by his name ] ) most likely loved fasha and made goku with her. But Bardock's curse made him see the future but not in his timeline... notice that Bardock1's clothes were ripping [ a standard element of amateur time/space travel ]

Bardock2 could have freaked out or do something that deleted the existance of all of his pals including fasha Gine became his new mate ( gine IS goku's mom right? ) and goku looked pretty much the same... Frieza still managed to destroy planet vegeta and bardock but Goku lived on.

only way they can both be canon

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Although the 1st bardock special became non-canon, it could be that thanks to the super nova and time warping theory, Bardock could have f***ed everything up causing an explosive ripple in history...

Bardock (1st timeline [ i will put 1 by his name ] ) most likely loved fasha and made goku with her. But Bardock's curse made him see the future but not in his timeline... notice that Bardock1's clothes were ripping [ a standard element of amateur time/space travel ]

Bardock2 could have freaked out or do something that deleted the existance of all of his pals including fasha Gine became his new mate ( gine IS goku's mom right? ) and goku looked pretty much the same... Frieza still managed to destroy planet vegeta and bardock but Goku lived on.

only way they can both be canon

A nice theory, but impossible.

How could Seripa/Fasha have been Goku's mother if Goku was born while Bardock was on Kanassa?
Also, Bardock was sent into the ancient past. There's no way he lived for hundreds or possibly thousands of years.

Besides, Episode of Bardock was never canon.


"I am the bone of my sword
 Steel is my body and fire is my blood
 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2014, 08:44:01 PM »
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You know...if you think about it. Bardock is ultimately responsible for the destruction of Planet Vegeta, because when he went back in time, went Super-Saiyan, and proceeded to wreck Chilled's shit, Chilled's dying words were to warn his family about the Saiyans. TIME PARADOX!!!!