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The original creators are bringing Courage back with a new style of animation. It's not as good as 2d IMO, but I think it still fits the courage craziness. CN are thinking of bringing it back, check it out.  :)

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 05:19:10 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 05:23:56 AM »

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I remember this show! Laughed my ass off almost every episode. I dunno about bringing it back because I don't really watch TV anymore. And it's also a children's show...I think anyway. But the show is great nonetheless!
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 05:26:09 AM »

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Seeing as to how the children shows are just a piece of shit, this would be a good addition.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2014, 05:28:49 AM »
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Ah man I loved this show! Hope it comes back.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2014, 05:29:56 AM »

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Seeing as to how the children shows are just a piece of shit, this would be a good addition.

Lol yeah what's up with children shows nowadays? It's complete garbage from what I've heard.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 05:30:52 AM »

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Honestly, I don't support this.

Courage the Cowardly Dog was genuinely creepy and disturbing under the guise of being a kid friendly show. Cartoon Network has barely had half a handful of good shows since back in the day and every reboot they've attempted has bastardized the original shows. On top of that they seem to bow down to the Bad Parent Overlords now.

I don't see this ending well.

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Lol yeah what's up with children shows nowadays? It's complete garbage from what I've heard.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 05:33:12 AM »
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Courage was a very bizarre show now that I think about it lol

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2014, 01:43:28 PM »

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The original creators are bringing Courage back with a new style of animation. It's not as good as 2d IMO, but I think it still fits the courage craziness. CN are thinking of bringing it back, check it out.  :)

Courage actually used CGI animation and cell shading a lot in its original incarnation, usually to help with the uncanny valley. The most infamous example is probably in the final episode "Perfect", which I don't think needs an explanation. Just Google it or something.

And it's also a children's show...I think anyway.

It is. Most American animation consists of "children's shows", provided it's not an adult comedy like Family Guy or Boondocks, with a few exceptions here and there. But "children's show" is a pretty broad spectrum, and effectively means "our target demographic is under 18 years old", so a lot of series that have a fair bit of adult appeal are "children's shows", and a handful of cartoons are definitely targeted toward teenagers over children. For example, I think that plenty of adults can still find appeal in many of DC's animated series, like the much loved Batman: The Animated Series, or Justice League, as well as the two Avatar cartoons, even if Korra is... controversial to say the least. Unfortunately, the lack of kids buying toys based on recent cartoons in that vein tends to lead to cancellation for cartoons that are actually good.

Lol yeah what's up with children shows nowadays? It's complete garbage from what I've heard.

The issue with American children's shows primarily has to do with issues in the marketing department. Much of the money made by a cartoon these days is ultimately made from merchandising as opposed to the actual cartoon itself, which was a bit more true back in the '90s. The problem plaguing cartoons today is pretty similar to what happened in the '80s, with the slew of cartoons based on toylines, though it's a bit different this time around, as that happened because of a loophole in advertising laws.

In essence, if a cartoon fails to sell merchandise and its production values are too high to pick up the damage, it gets canceled. This is why the handful of good cartoons in recent years have either been cancelled prematurely or based on toylines. Cartoon Network can't afford Green Lantern: The Animated Series and its expensive CGI, but they can sure as hell keep pushing out new episodes of Johnny Test because it's so damn cheap, merchandise be damned. Consequently, this is also why My Little Pony and Adventure Time have hung in there -- they have dedicated fanbases which will purchase anything you throw at them. Hasbro in particular -- the company responsible for My Little Pony, Transformers, and G.I. Joe -- is incredibly quick to jump on anything the fans latch onto in order to profit. It helps that they're a toy company and now have their own channel.

Basically, American animation is stuck in a rut because of a need to profit off of things that aren't a part of the main show itself and the sheer cost of creating an animation program in the first place. Actually, television in general has this problem, considering the number of cheap, easy to make reality TV shows that are made these days, which are obviously a lot less expensive than Supernatural, The Walking Dead, or things that actually, I don't know, try to be genuinely interesting. It's just that cartoons are enough of a niche market that they're one of the things most heavily hit by the issue.

Honestly, I don't support this.

Courage the Cowardly Dog was genuinely creepy and disturbing under the guise of being a kid friendly show. Cartoon Network has barely had half a handful of good shows since back in the day and every reboot they've attempted has bastardized the original shows. On top of that they seem to bow down to the Bad Parent Overlords now.

I don't see this ending well.

To be totally fair, though, a lot of rebooted cartoons have turned out genuinely good in the past. Just about every '80s cartoon has had a second chance now and most of the examples are an improvement over the original.

Probably the best way to get a good cartoon on a network these days is to use a name that already has some sort of staying power, and Courage the Cowardly Dog was a well-known show in its heyday. Also, keep in mind that this isn't simply a soulless reboot ala the recent fiasco with the Powerpuff Girls -- this the original creative team actively wanting to return and make a sequel/reboot for the previous show.


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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2014, 01:48:56 PM »

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I remember this show. When I was a kid, it was funny and terrifying at the same time xD
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Courage actually used CGI animation and cell shading a lot in its original incarnation, usually to help with the uncanny valley. The most infamous example is probably in the final episode "Perfect", which I don't think needs an explanation. Just Google it or something.

It is. Most American animation consists of "children's shows", provided it's not an adult comedy like Family Guy or Boondocks, with a few exceptions here and there. But "children's show" is a pretty broad spectrum, and effectively means "our target demographic is under 18 years old", so a lot of series that have a fair bit of adult appeal are "children's shows", and a handful of cartoons are definitely targeted toward teenagers over children. For example, I think that plenty of adults can still find appeal in many of DC's animated series, like the much loved Batman: The Animated Series, or Justice League, as well as the two Avatar cartoons, even if Korra is... controversial to say the least. Unfortunately, the lack of kids buying toys based on recent cartoons in that vein tends to lead to cancellation for cartoons that are actually good.

The issue with American children's shows primarily has to do with issues in the marketing department. Much of the money made by a cartoon these days is ultimately made from merchandising as opposed to the actual cartoon itself, which was a bit more true back in the '90s. The problem plaguing cartoons today is pretty similar to what happened in the '80s, with the slew of cartoons based on toylines, though it's a bit different this time around, as that happened because of a loophole in advertising laws.

In essence, if a cartoon fails to sell merchandise and its production values are too high to pick up the damage, it gets canceled. This is why the handful of good cartoons in recent years have either been cancelled prematurely or based on toylines. Cartoon Network can't afford Green Lantern: The Animated Series and its expensive CGI, but they can sure as hell keep pushing out new episodes of Johnny Test because it's so damn cheap, merchandise be damned. Consequently, this is also why My Little Pony and Adventure Time have hung in there -- they have dedicated fanbases which will purchase anything you throw at them. Hasbro in particular -- the company responsible for My Little Pony, Transformers, and G.I. Joe -- is incredibly quick to jump on anything the fans latch onto in order to profit. It helps that they're a toy company and now have their own channel.

Basically, American animation is stuck in a rut because of a need to profit off of things that aren't a part of the main show itself and the sheer cost of creating an animation program in the first place. Actually, television in general has this problem, considering the number of cheap, easy to make reality TV shows that are made these days, which are obviously a lot less expensive than Supernatural, The Walking Dead, or things that actually, I don't know, try to be genuinely interesting. It's just that cartoons are enough of a niche market that they're one of the things most heavily hit by the issue.

To be totally fair, though, a lot of rebooted cartoons have turned out genuinely good in the past. Just about every '80s cartoon has had a second chance now and most of the examples are an improvement over the original.

Probably the best way to get a good cartoon on a network these days is to use a name that already has some sort of staying power, and Courage the Cowardly Dog was a well-known show in its heyday. Also, keep in mind that this isn't simply a soulless reboot ala the recent fiasco with the Powerpuff Girls -- this the original creative team actively wanting to return and make a sequel/reboot for the previous show.
If you're going to make a tl;dr, don't make half of it off topic. Courage the Cowardly Dog needs to stay dead. People naughtyword about bringing back old shows and then don't even watch them when they do come back, for instance, Invader Zim and Toonami. This is why nobody gives a shit about a 90s kid's opinions on CN.

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If you're going to make a tl;dr, don't make half of it off topic. Courage the Cowardly Dog needs to stay dead. People **** about bringing back old shows and then don't even watch them when they do come back, for instance, Invader Zim and Toonami. This is why nobody gives a shit about a 90s kid's opinions on CN.

I was addressing other people's comments. I'm not veering off topic because it's still related to the discussion at hand.

Toonami actually gets around 1.2 million viewers at its peak every Saturday night the last time I checked, so it's not like no one watches it. It's just not marketed in the same way that it used to be, where it was in a prime timeslot and was meant to appeal to much younger viewers. It actually has a pretty respectable number of people watching it, considering when it comes on and the fact that I'd imagine most people don't even care that it exists and have forgotten about it.

Cartoon Network may not care much about the opinions of '90s kids, but a fair number of people have paid attention to '80s kids and used it to their advantage. A lot of the '00s had a lot of pandering toward to people who grew up in the '80s and many successful cartoons and even a few blockbuster film franchises have been based off of things that were popular in the '80s. A decade later and a new group of individuals are going to be young adults, and there is indeed money in nostalgia, though this might not be where that money is.

It's clear that this isn't going to be made in an effort to pander to '90s kids. No, no. '90s kids will more likely pirate this show if it all possible if they want to watch it. It's an attempt to revive a franchise that some people currently watching Cartoon Network may still know because of its occasional reruns and ride on the fact that it's already an established series, therefore needs minimal extra marketing. The '90s kids themselves will not make or break this -- the current generation will. Kids from the '90s are, admittedly, still a minimal part of the market, even if they are vocal.


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I was addressing other people's comments. I'm not veering off topic because it's still related to the discussion at hand.

Toonami actually gets around 1.2 million viewers at its peak every Saturday night the last time I checked, so it's not like no one watches it. It's just not marketed in the same way that it used to be, where it was in a prime timeslot and was meant to appeal to much younger viewers. It actually has a pretty respectable number of people watching it, considering when it comes on and the fact that I'd imagine most people don't even care that it exists and have forgotten about it.

Cartoon Network may not care much about the opinions of '90s kids, but a fair number of people have paid attention to '80s kids and used it to their advantage. A lot of the '00s had a lot of pandering toward to people who grew up in the '80s and many successful cartoons and even a few blockbuster film franchises have been based off of things that were popular in the '80s. A decade later and a new group of individuals are going to be young adults, and there is indeed money in nostalgia, though this might not be where that money is.

It's clear that this isn't going to be made in an effort to pander to '90s kids. No, no. '90s kids will more likely pirate this show if it all possible if they want to watch it. It's an attempt to revive a franchise that some people currently watching Cartoon Network may still know because of its occasional reruns and ride on the fact that it's already an established series, therefore needs minimal extra marketing. The '90s kids themselves will not make or break this -- the current generation will. Kids from the '90s are, admittedly, still a minimal part of the market, even if they are vocal.
Did you take offense to that 90s kid comment or something? I'm just tired of nostalgia fags trying to act like the master race of cartoon viewers. That being said, this show needs to stay dead with it's integrity intact like Ed, Edd n Eddy

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I'm just tired of nostalgia fags trying to act like the master race of cartoon viewers.

Well when most of today's TV is utter trash what the naughtyword to you expect?

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Did you take offense to that 90s kid comment or something? I'm just tired of nostalgia fags trying to act like the master race of cartoon viewers. That being said, this show needs to stay dead with it's integrity intact like Ed, Edd n Eddy

Not really. I'm just stating the facts and I don't really consider myself much of a "'90s kid" -- most of my childhood was in the early to mid '00s. (on top of that, Courage was a '00s thing, not a '90s thing, as its first episode aired in November of 1999) All I'm saying is that '80s kids actually have been pandered to extensively and it worked out rather well for some companies -- especially toy companies. An estimated 10-20% of Transformers sales are from adult collectors, and that's a pretty impressive amount of money when you consider that sales for movie toys actually rake in more money than the film themselves.

I'm no member of "master race" or a "nostalgia naughtyword". I'm just someone who enjoys animation in general, and I think the '90s had a lot more going for them than the current generation of cartoons -- this coming from someone who has extensively watched and enjoyed cartoons much, much older than I am. The '90s had a lot going for them, introducing a lot of original, entertaining cartoons and I do think the state of affairs were better than they are today, where good shows are often canceled prematurely and less original content actually makes it on to television in the first place. Cartoon Network is pretty unwilling to take risks these days and they're naturally the only channel that focuses on cartoons. The rest of the American animation industry suffers as a result.

As a side note, Ed Edd n Eddy was a pretty good show and I have no problem with the revival it had, especially because the send-off was very nicely done. It felt like a proper finale. Y'know, wanting something to stay dead is just as much a product of nostalgia as wanting it revived.


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(on top of that, Courage was a '00s thing, not a '90s thing, as its first episode aired in November of 1999)
Yes because people born in the early 2000s would remember a specific cartoon that aired at the same time? It's mostly known by people born in the mid 90s and that's the point I was making.
Cartoon Network is pretty unwilling to take risks these days and they're naturally the only channel that focuses on cartoons. The rest of the American animation industry suffers as a result.
 Y'know, wanting something to stay dead is just as much a product of nostalgia as wanting it revived.
Like Sym Bionic Titan qq. Also, the word nostalgia implies that I want to experience the show again, which is the exact opposite of what I want.

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As a side note, Ed Edd n Eddy was a pretty good show and I have no problem with the revival it had, especially because the send-off was very nicely done. It felt like a proper finale. Y'know, wanting something to stay dead is just as much a product of nostalgia as wanting it revived.

I never cared for Courage, but I liked Ed, Ed, 'n Eddy.
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Yes because people born in the early 2000s would remember a specific cartoon that aired at the same time?

It's mostly known by people born in the mid 90s and that's the point I was making.Like Sym Bionic Titan qq. Also, the word nostalgia implies that I want to experience the show again, which is the exact opposite of what I want.

The concept of a "'90s kid" is supposed to refer to people's whose childhood took place mostly in the '90s, not necessarily people born in the '90s. In essence, the people the '90s had the most cultural impact on.

Also, a note on nostalgia -- what I tend to find is that a lot of people who are "nostalgic" about a certain series don't want it revived or rebooted, but rather want those memories to stay preserved. I understand that a dictionary definition does imply you want to revisit said memories, but keep in mind that you see the world through a different lens when you're a child than you do today and that's part of what nostalgia means. Again, I'm going to point to Transformers for an example of this, as the notion of "Michael Bay raped my childhood" has become so prevalent there. It's clearly a product of blind nostalgia, as they're more worried about their memories of a cartoon from the '80s to enjoy what good has come out of recent additions to the franchise.

Either way, the conversation is quickly becoming irrelevant. If you're trying to debate something, you're starting to veer straight into ad hominem territory, questioning my motives for liking something (outing me as someone who perceives themselves as "master race" or a "'90s kid") as opposed to actually responding to the point I'm making. That's all kind of ironic, since this discussion began with you calling me out for going off-topic.


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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2014, 07:21:07 PM »

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keep in mind that you see the world through a different lens when you're a child than you do today

Personally, I find the only major difference for me when I watch all the old shows I used to watch is that now I'm smarter and I understand more of what's happening and what's being said.

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2014, 07:39:26 PM »

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Just for the record, I still watch Looney Tunes.
It still makes me laugh when Daffy Duck gets shot in the face, perhaps now more so than my childhood, simply because most modern cartoons are so awful.

Then again, I'm pretty childish. :P


Still makes me laugh.


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 Steel is my body and fire is my blood
 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2014, 09:10:04 PM »
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Personally, I find the only major difference for me when I watch all the old shows I used to watch is that now I'm smarter and I understand more of what's happening and what's being said.







I like when they do nothing I see the Cowardly Dog, tanbien see the ho ra adventure of magic dog and child (jake and finn) this series I mentioned is now more to the public more adult and that this number is for a youth audience


PS: as I told you my king juan carlos President of Cuba - "because you do not shut" talk much kiyza XD  :P
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