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'Cuz yeah, Creationists show lots of evidence all the time, don't they? XD


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'Cuz yeah, Creationists show lots of evidence all the time, don't they? XD
I agree this is True.

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if u ever notice debates like these there all the same one side doesnt answer the question an stirs the conversation to another topic doing this until one person loses there cool making the person look wrong! thats why a major amount of ppl dont care for any of this!

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Debates like this are just done for view whoring and comedy tbh. Creationism is not a naughtyword debate anymore, even the Vatican acknowledges it's not accurate. If these people want to be dumbasses and ignore all evidence contradicting them, just let them be dumbasses within their own little group.

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All I'm gonna say is we did not evolve from apes. Um not going into detail because this'll just become a massive debate.

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All I'm gonna say is we did not evolve from apes. Um not going into detail because this'll just become a massive debate.

I'll elaborate a bit further. We evolved from the same creature apes evolved from.

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Yeah...these videos usually have bias in them. Then again everything has bias.

Mind you my standpoint between creation and evolution is actually right in the middle. I believe we were created through evolution. Or does that just make me an evolutionist? Lol either way, I still don't think everything in this world is black or white.
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I'll elaborate a bit further. We evolved from the same creature apes evolved from.
I'm sorry but NO

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I'm sorry but NO

Did you know we have 46% same DNA as worms?

The more you  know...

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Did u know that almost everyone's DNA is the same only a small percentage makes us different. Btw no evolution just natural selection but not for humans.

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Did u know that almost everyone's DNA is the same only a small percentage makes us different. Btw no evolution just natural selection but not for humans.

Almost everyone's DNA is the same because there is something called ''mutual ancestor'', we all animals have the same antecessor, but he parted ways based on the ecosystem he lived.

The apes and the Humans have the same ''common short'' ancestor. Its called the ''missing link''.

we have 97%-99% same DNA as Apes, and we ourselves were ape-looking like people no that long ago (some million years)

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If these people want to be dumbasses and ignore all evidence contradicting them, just let them be dumbasses within their own little group.
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Evolution is still a theory and it hasn't been proven regardless of the evidence. And people who believe in creation aren't "dumbasses." The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Why the hell would Dumke make a thread regarding this topic? Are you just waiting for flame?

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Evolution is still a theory and it hasn't been proven regardless of the evidence. And people who believe in creation aren't "dumbasses." The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Why the hell would Dumke make a thread regarding this topic? Are you just waiting for flame?

I think he was calling the woman a dumbass because she was saying there was no evidence of evolution while simultaneously saying that she "knows" god is responsible for everything without any evidence.

Also, I'm trying not to be too amused by that Boondocks quote.


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I think he was calling the woman a dumbass because she was saying there was no evidence of evolution while simultaneously saying that she "knows" god is responsible for everything without any evidence.

Pretty much this.


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Evolution is still a theory and it hasn't been proven regardless of the evidence. And people who believe in creation aren't "dumbasses." The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Why the hell would Dumke make a thread regarding this topic? Are you just waiting for flame?

There are still too many questions for evolution to be considered fact, but it still holds up to scrutiny. There is overwhelming evidence however that creationism is total naughtyword.

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It's purely a very hilarious video from the get go

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We also share 50% of our DNA with bananas.... which I happen to be allergic too.

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It's purely a very hilarious video from the get go



Wait... did I not get how ridiculous it was...?


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 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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Debates like this are just done for view whoring and comedy tbh. Creationism is not a ****ing debate anymore, even the Vatican acknowledges it's not accurate. If these people want to be dumbasses and ignore all evidence contradicting them, just let them be dumbasses within their own little group.

The issue comes when 30% of the American public doesn't believe the theory of evolution is correct, though. Statistically, less than 1% of career biologists don't and it basically makes up the entirety of modern biological science -- including a shitton of medical research which benefits us a lot. If science didn't accept evolution as the truth, I can guarantee you that millions every year would die of the damn flu, because flu vaccination relies on applied evolution to keep track of the virus's many, many strains.

Of course, I should point out it really is wrong to blame any part of this on Christianity in particular. To be honest, evolution has had a knee-jerk reaction from the start because of humanity's own ingrained sense of egocentrism and superiority over other species. A lot of the time, we just can't accept the notion that we might somehow be related to what we regard as lower life-forms. Religion is certainly a part of the equation -- most organized religions, not just Christianity -- but ultimately, I do think that people just use it as an excuse. Any sort of radical change to our fundamental outlook on life is like that. Like you said, even the Roman Catholic church -- which around half of all Christians are statistically a part of -- doesn't agree with it.

I'll elaborate a bit further. We evolved from the same creature apes evolved from.

That's actually not quite true. Humans are apes, according to phylogenitic classification. Humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) and all of our now non-extant relatives (genre Homo for immediate relatives, and a few others) are a part of the family Hominidae, the scientific name for the taxon we call "great apes". Of course, what we call an "ape" is purely a matter of human classification and the popular definition of apes doesn't include humans, but a little bit of enlightenment never hurts.

Yeah...these videos usually have bias in them. Then again everything has bias.

Mind you my standpoint between creation and evolution is actually right in the middle. I believe we were created through evolution. Or does that just make me an evolutionist? Lol either way, I still don't think everything in this world is black or white.

It's a related concept, but it has its own name -- intelligent design. The issue with it is, it's regarded as pseudo-science because it doesn't have any scientific merit to it. It's also obviously based on religious doctrine, meaning it can't be taught in public schools, which was a big court case a long while back. I don't see any issue with believing it myself, but I don't believe we should be teaching any sort of religious doctrine in American public schools, considering, y'know, even among Christians, there are lots and lots of different interpretations of their religious texts. 'Muican Constitution, freedom of religion, yada yada.

Did u know that almost everyone's DNA is the same only a small percentage makes us different. Btw no evolution just natural selection but not for humans.

Whatever you're trying to say is confusing. The concept of evolution and natural selection are inherently related -- organisms pass on good genetics to the next generation. It's not the only mechanism by which evolution works, but it's probably the best-known. Even if you don't believe humans evolved from apes (your opinion, man, I won't argue), I think we can come to the conclusion that evolution can be seen all the time on a micro scale.

Dogs, for instance, are a product of evolution -- repeating changes over generations through mutation and the passing on of desirable traits. It's just that humans are the guiding hand behind it, making the process go a bit more quickly than it does in a natural environment. You can even see differences between dogs that are different strains of a single breed. It's the same basic concept by which speciation occurs.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Evolution is still a theory and it hasn't been proven regardless of the evidence. And people who believe in creation aren't "dumbasses." The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Why the hell would Dumke make a thread regarding this topic? Are you just waiting for flame?

Gravity is still "just a theory" too. By definition, you can't prove a theory because it's just a human explanation of a natural phenomenon. However, it's not something pulled out of someone's ass. Something that lacks much in the way of evidence and hasn't undergone proper scientific scrutiny is a hypothesis. Something that's a mathematical part of the natural world is a law.

I should also note that science also can't prove a negative -- there's no way to say that evolution isn't correct. In the same sense, it's impossible to prove that deities aren't real. Basically, everything is relative and people are entitled to their own opinions, but understand that you're going against (almost) universally-accepted mainstream science that's put to good use and saves lives every day of your life. I wouldn't call someone a "dumbass" -- I'm not mean-spirited enough for terms like that -- but I would say that people should evaluate all parts of the equation before making a conclusion.

I think he was calling the woman a dumbass because she was saying there was no evidence of evolution while simultaneously saying that she "knows" god is responsible for everything without any evidence.

Also, I'm trying not to be too amused by that Boondocks quote.

To be totally fair, a large part of the Christian religion is based on faith -- the notion that you don't need "proof" to know something. Science is a very different matter, but if you want to say that God is the guiding hand of the universe without any "evidence", that's totally valid as far as I -- and I think most people -- should be concerned. Just never, ever pass it off as science, because it isn't. It's a part of faith, and that's something people should be entitled to.


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Also, I'm trying not to be too amused by that Boondocks quote.
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I should also note that science also can't prove a negative -- there's no way to say that evolution isn't correct. In the same sense, it's impossible to prove that deities aren't real. Basically, everything is relative and people are entitled to their own opinions, but understand that you're going against (almost) universally-accepted mainstream science that's put to good use and saves lives every day of your life. I wouldn't call someone a "dumbass" -- I'm not mean-spirited enough for terms like that -- but I would say that people should evaluate all parts of the equation before making a conclusion.
Why was this directed at me...?

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I should also note that science also can't prove a negative -- there's no way to say that evolution isn't correct. In the same sense, it's impossible to prove that deities aren't real

While this is true, the whole "can't prove a negative" thing is debatable when you attach positive claims to it, such as a deity interacting with the universe in measurable ways.

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To be totally fair, a large part of the Christian religion is based on faith -- the notion that you don't need "proof" to know something. Science is a very different matter, but if you want to say that God is the guiding hand of the universe without any "evidence", that's totally valid as far as I -- and I think most people -- should be concerned. Just never, ever pass it off as science, because it isn't. It's a part of faith, and that's something people should be entitled to.
A lot of science is based on faith aswell. In order for all of it to work, you have to have faith that the law of conservation of mass is real and absolute, when it's impossible to 100% know. That's why I put atheists and theists in the same barrel.

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A lot of science is based on faith aswell. In order for all of it to work, you have to have faith that the law of conservation of mass is real and absolute, when it's impossible to 100% know. That's why I put atheists and theists in the same barrel.

Oh boy here we go.

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A lot of science is based on faith aswell. In order for all of it to work, you have to have faith that the law of conservation of mass is real and absolute, when it's impossible to 100% know. That's why I put atheists and theists in the same barrel.

I've got some great Christian friends who make this argument with me from time to time for shits and giggles, but to be honest, while I understand where you're coming from with the concept, your example doesn't work because you're using a scientific law instead of a theory. The thing is, a scientific law is just an observation of something while a theory is an explanation of of the observation itself. You don't need faith in the law being real because the law itself is little more than documentation of something. It's more like "And in other news, the sky is blue, the grass is green, and Batman's parents are dead" than "blue light reflects off of particles in the atmosphere, chlorophyll gives grass a green color, and this is how Joe Chill shot Thomas and Martha Wayne". A theory itself may require a bit of faith, but not a law.

Also, atheists and theists are two completely different doctrines. Even if you, for whatever reason, regard science as a religion unto itself, you have to understand that the concept of "theism" and "atheism" has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, or faith -- that's literally just saying that you believe in a deity or you don't. There are religions that are atheistic.


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The issue comes when 30% of the American public doesn't believe the theory of evolution is correct, though. Statistically, less than 1% of career biologists don't and it basically makes up the entirety of modern biological science -- including a shitton of medical research which benefits us a lot. If science didn't accept evolution as the truth, I can guarantee you that millions every year would die of the damn flu, because flu vaccination relies on applied evolution to keep track of the virus's many, many strains.

Of course, I should point out it really is wrong to blame any part of this on Christianity in particular. To be honest, evolution has had a knee-jerk reaction from the start because of humanity's own ingrained sense of egocentrism and superiority over other species. A lot of the time, we just can't accept the notion that we might somehow be related to what we regard as lower life-forms. Religion is certainly a part of the equation -- most organized religions, not just Christianity -- but ultimately, I do think that people just use it as an excuse. Any sort of radical change to our fundamental outlook on life is like that. Like you said, even the Roman Catholic church -- which around half of all Christians are statistically a part of -- doesn't agree with it.

That's actually not quite true. Humans are apes, according to phylogenitic classification. Humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) and all of our now non-extant relatives (genre Homo for immediate relatives, and a few others) are a part of the family Hominidae, the scientific name for the taxon we call "great apes". Of course, what we call an "ape" is purely a matter of human classification and the popular definition of apes doesn't include humans, but a little bit of enlightenment never hurts.

It's a related concept, but it has its own name -- intelligent design. The issue with it is, it's regarded as pseudo-science because it doesn't have any scientific merit to it. It's also obviously based on religious doctrine, meaning it can't be taught in public schools, which was a big court case a long while back. I don't see any issue with believing it myself, but I don't believe we should be teaching any sort of religious doctrine in American public schools, considering, y'know, even among Christians, there are lots and lots of different interpretations of their religious texts. 'Muican Constitution, freedom of religion, yada yada.

Whatever you're trying to say is confusing. The concept of evolution and natural selection are inherently related -- organisms pass on good genetics to the next generation. It's not the only mechanism by which evolution works, but it's probably the best-known. Even if you don't believe humans evolved from apes (your opinion, man, I won't argue), I think we can come to the conclusion that evolution can be seen all the time on a micro scale.

Dogs, for instance, are a product of evolution -- repeating changes over generations through mutation and the passing on of desirable traits. It's just that humans are the guiding hand behind it, making the process go a bit more quickly than it does in a natural environment. You can even see differences between dogs that are different strains of a single breed. It's the same basic concept by which speciation occurs.

Gravity is still "just a theory" too. By definition, you can't prove a theory because it's just a human explanation of a natural phenomenon. However, it's not something pulled out of someone's ass. Something that lacks much in the way of evidence and hasn't undergone proper scientific scrutiny is a hypothesis. Something that's a mathematical part of the natural world is a law.

I should also note that science also can't prove a negative -- there's no way to say that evolution isn't correct. In the same sense, it's impossible to prove that deities aren't real. Basically, everything is relative and people are entitled to their own opinions, but understand that you're going against (almost) universally-accepted mainstream science that's put to good use and saves lives every day of your life. I wouldn't call someone a "dumbass" -- I'm not mean-spirited enough for terms like that -- but I would say that people should evaluate all parts of the equation before making a conclusion.

To be totally fair, a large part of the Christian religion is based on faith -- the notion that you don't need "proof" to know something. Science is a very different matter, but if you want to say that God is the guiding hand of the universe without any "evidence", that's totally valid as far as I -- and I think most people -- should be concerned. Just never, ever pass it off as science, because it isn't. It's a part of faith, and that's something people should be entitled to.

Well said Kiyza. I totally agree with everything you've said here!
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