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« on: May 03, 2014, 01:22:03 PM »
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if you damage decreases the abilities of the two will end up with playing with race.
why they usually lose ja, decreasing the best of them unique techniques,
not have felt more plays to lose all the time. the fighter crit 20k, the two are not crit then never consiquiram defeat. The fighters will be a monopoly in the race.
I played a fighter, turtle, majin, sk, Dende, swordman. and easily won fighter of them want to see now. I make this claim for my friends who play karma and sk
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 01:24:09 PM »

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Trust me you don't need to worry about this, DBOR will balance all of it.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 01:27:44 PM »

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I agree, Karma should be left the same. Without speed then how will be Kraken, Bacterian, And cell possible? I would like the skills from Sk to be left as they are. Only decrease the power of the pvp if you guys really want to. But the crucial thing here is the speed, please don't decrease the speed % of classes.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 01:29:24 PM »
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I have friends of all races ja jock with all you guys do that they will screw the game knghit shadow and karma

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as not only speed, but the techniques, the unique that they were rescuing decrease vain to be nothing els
« Last Edit: May 03, 2014, 01:31:30 PM by BRcablocodaniel, Reason: Merged DoublePost »

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 06:40:49 AM »

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speed is shit and balance was shit in tw.
only last good balance was level 55 with reps in korean
dark warrior more tanky
sk need a good nerf in bleed
karma need a nerf in skill lock
fighter need more base damage and dex
sword need more crit%
grandma need more dmg
ultima need spin again every 6 sec with RP
plasma need more damage AOE
healer and poko need heal more
turtle is good
crane need lost in time back



« Last Edit: May 05, 2014, 06:51:18 AM by Blaka »
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 06:44:00 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 06:47:15 AM »

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Karma isn't speed only it have skills too.
Karma wins because of skill lock, stun, confuse.
If karma start to spam that you just watch how you die.
SK just maybe you should low duration of bleed debuff and that is only that.
SK need bleed for pvp, take him that and no one will play it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 06:52:29 AM »

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SK should be a TANK not a DPS
u wanna DPS?choose human and make martial artist for single target and spiritualist for area skills...atleast i see things this way
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 06:58:18 AM »

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SK should be a TANK not a DPS
u wanna DPS?choose human and make martial artist for single target and spiritualist for area skills...atleast i see things this way
SK is tanker and every race have pvp class and pve class.
Fighter - pve and sword  - PW
SK - PVP  and DW - PVE
If you want to beat SK just take anti bleed and np. I saw many times that fighters and swords who cry about SK bleed, had M.def gear and no anti bleed. Like I said bleed dmg or duration should change but save same dmg.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 07:08:54 AM »

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i don't think it this way.
for more than 1 reason:
-1 put a sk and a fighter with same gear against each others.sk will win
-2 sk balance is broken.sk need same bleed?ok boost humans base LP,both def,and base attack
-3 with old balance bleed was a normal skill,but wasn't exist andtibleed and antishit items.but that cap was balanced.
-4 i can say this beacause i was play dbo since is opened and i see the difference,if u wasn't play kr before the big patch u never try this balance and i don't act like i know evertything or shit is just my english is autolearned so isn't all that good.i m not mad and i don't want to argue i just say my opinion.
-5 if u need put antibleed or accesories antisomething for fight another class is a pain in ass beacuase u lose your actually bonus u use to use(like remove dex earrings for antibleed or props)
best will be do a beta and try play with chars with all +0 items no stats.when you see every char got chance to win is balanced
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 07:16:57 AM »

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i don't think it this way.
for more than 1 reason:
-1 put a sk and a fighter with same gear against each others.sk will win

Imo the luckiest will win


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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 07:22:49 AM »

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i don't think it this way.
for more than 1 reason:
-1 put a sk and a fighter with same gear against each others.sk will win
-2 sk balance is broken.sk need same bleed?ok boost humans base LP,both def,and base attack
-3 with old balance bleed was a normal skill,but wasn't exist andtibleed and antishit items.but that cap was balanced.
-4 i can say this beacause i was play dbo since is opened and i see the difference,if u wasn't play kr before the big patch u never try this balance and i don't act like i know evertything or shit is just my english is autolearned so isn't all that good.i m not mad and i don't want to argue i just say my opinion.
-5 if u need put antibleed or accesories antisomething for fight another class is a pain in ass beacuase u lose your actually bonus u use to use(like remove dex earrings for antibleed or props)
best will be do a beta and try play with chars with all +0 items no stats.when you see every char got chance to win is balanced
Well SK and Fighter. Stun + speed fighter win. Stun + critic fighter will win. Soo lol. But yeah that yours 5th, that would be balance yeah maybe.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 07:38:41 AM »

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best will be do a beta and try play with chars with all +0 items no stats.when you see every char got chance to win is balanced
+0 fighter pole do shit -----> +12 pole and crit+dex items = 1 shot all
turtle with no gear is shit -----> with gear (CD) infinite combo, just watch how he kills you
karma with no gear = shit -----> wth gaar same as turtle
Thats in shot why this is stupid idea, better test characters with +12~15 EQ avearge~perfect stats then game will be balanced

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 07:44:22 AM »

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I agree, Karma should be left the same. Without speed then how will be Kraken, Bacterian, And cell possible? I would like the skills from Sk to be left as they are. Only decrease the power of the pvp if you guys really want to. But the crucial thing here is the speed, please don't decrease the speed % of classes.

These dungeons were meant to be done without speed..

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 07:48:31 AM »

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These dungeons were meant to be done without speed..
Agreed, it may take more time to do things without speed, but it requires skill and patience.
Speed was the lazy man's way.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 07:48:42 AM »

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I agree, Karma should be left the same. Without speed then how will be Kraken, Bacterian, And cell possible? I would like the skills from Sk to be left as they are. Only decrease the power of the pvp if you guys really want to. But the crucial thing here is the speed, please don't decrease the speed % of classes.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 07:52:09 AM »

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i can talk good only for fighter,since in tw i don't play a lot due to real life things.i was nolife korean dbo...
i don't like speed and crit system.too much op.with that new pach is like they remove all old strategy for make all cash and easy win.hell with kr pach if u was crit u was do 20/25% more damage not triple XD and speed wasn't exist.and that was best balance,just check dbocom,nobady was complain about balance(only at the start cuz healer was heal too much and was impossible to kill)
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2014, 07:52:41 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014, 07:54:13 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2014, 10:08:07 PM »

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Well yeah it was better before. This should be done in lvl 70:
Critic dmg 30% max and speed gear max 20% speed and speed skills 30% on 1 char unless karma and poko buff you with their speed buffs then you can get 100%. Fighters since they don't have KD like swords, and if you nerf their critic, they need speed to beat someone. Karma even without max speed would still be same, because of skills, hesitation and others.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 07:06:32 AM »

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imo critic should be 25%-30% more but fighter need HIGHER base damage,but less chance to crit(opposite to sm)
+fighter should dodge more without pot and get dex pot removed...buff that give dex(the first of fighter skill tree) should be 5 minute long and normal cooldown.like a normal buff...
Fighter should be a pure dps imo,just good attack and good dex
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 07:14:34 AM »

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imo critic should be 25%-30% more but fighter need HIGHER base damage,but less chance to crit(opposite to sm)
+fighter should dodge more without pot and get dex pot removed...buff that give dex(the first of fighter skill tree) should be 5 minute long and normal cooldown.like a normal buff...
Fighter should be a pure dps imo,just good attack and good dex
Well yeah fighter should have normal buff like all but removed dodge pot.
3000+ dodge, no one can hit it ahahha.
Swords should have more critic.
It should be this way (cap 70):
Fighter: hitrate 1400 dodge rate 1800
Sword: hitrate 1800 dodge rate 1400

This is balance in dodge and hit. Now all of them should have base dmg same and same critic rate. Fighter should have more dodge rate, resistance and sword more hit rate and success.
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 08:31:08 AM »

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Well yeah fighter should have normal buff like all but removed dodge pot.
3000+ dodge, no one can hit it ahahha.
Swords should have more critic.
It should be this way (cap 70):
Fighter: hitrate 1400 dodge rate 1800
Sword: hitrate 1800 dodge rate 1400

This is balance in dodge and hit. Now all of them should have base dmg same and same critic rate. Fighter should have more dodge rate, resistance and sword more hit rate and success.
Sounds about right to me.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2014, 09:10:45 AM »
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I wish to return in Lvl50 (beta) or lvl55 cap without any speed attack bonus, no dodge pot, and good balance, the era where to beat something it's not, "OMG LOOK AT MY SUPA SPEED OF DOOM, and look how i touch my ballz in the same time"

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2014, 09:14:23 AM »

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the era where to beat something it's not, "OMG LOOK AT MY SUPA SPEED OF DOOM, and look how i touch my ballz in the same time"
Yep, I know that Link is NUTS!!!!
But yeah you are right, speed make all easy xD
It ruin balance but since we feel it, we can't just full remove it.
We can only nerf it. xD
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