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How strong is Piccolo at the end of Z?
« on: April 06, 2014, 11:55:50 AM »

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I have him roughly at SSJ Goku - SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga)

Lots of people say Piccolo didn't train, and there is no evidence that he did train.

That would mean there is no evidence that he didn't train either.

I don't believe he hardcore trained during the seven year time gap, or trained so little just to keep his power the same because that isnt like Piccolo.

I think he trained moderately with his power steady increasing, but not hardcore because of the influence of kami, making Piccolo a little more kind hearted and not as rough.

I am not accepting Piccolo is as strong as Semi Perfect Cell because he was, along what I perceived to be ASSJ Trunks (A whole other debate on whether on not Trunks was ASSJ or SSJ), holding his own against the Cell Jr's.

Tell me what you guys think.

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2014, 11:57:29 AM »

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Stronger than krillin that's all I can say.

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2014, 11:59:32 AM »

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Stronger than krillin that's all I can say.

Krillin held his own against the Cell Jr's but I think they knew how weak he was in the first place, so they toyed with Krillin even more so than Trunks, Vegeta, and Piccolo.




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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2014, 12:04:33 PM »

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As far as level goes I think you're about right. However I still think he trained a lotmore than you think
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2014, 12:12:40 PM »

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i would say as strong as cell
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2014, 12:13:00 PM »

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As far as level goes I think you're about right. However I still think he trained a lotmore than you think

I was expecting a lot more different views on this subject as on all the other dbz related forums I have been make Piccolo a lot weaker.

I was just thinking though he wouldn't hardcore train due to Kami's infuence.

But unlike most people, I don't believe he only meditated for the whole 7 year gap.

Therefore I came to the conclusion he trains moderately.

Its only speculation, but you know.

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i would say as strong as cell

A respected opinion.

Perfect Cell or Super Perfect?

I think this is more reasonable that what other people spit out like Piccolo is only as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Cell Games.

Piccolo as strong as perfect cell is very plausible.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2014, 12:20:00 PM »

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i would say perfect cell because adult gohan was weaker than teen gohan and teen gohan barely beat super  perfect cell and picollo is weaker than adullt gohan so he is on par with perfect cell i think
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2014, 12:25:47 PM »

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i would say perfect cell because adult gohan was weaker than teen gohan and teen gohan barely beat super  perfect cell and picollo is weaker than adullt gohan so he is on par with perfect cell i think

I can see where your coming from.

Especially when Piccolo trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and training during the 7 year time gap would make him as strong as Cell.

But I think he improved more with his training.

A food for thought guys:

How strong was Piccolo after his Time Chamber training?

During the fight with Cell?

I think Semi Perfect Level as Goku said he improved "drastically, but not enough to beat Cell"

You can ponder over this while you answer the main question.  :D
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2014, 12:27:49 PM »

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Especially when Piccolo trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and training during the 7 year time gap would make him as wrong as Cell.
What do you mean as "wrong" as cell?
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2014, 12:32:32 PM »

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What do you mean as "wrong" as cell?

I meant to say stong. Typo on my part, I was trying to fix it fast so that no one would notice.

But I guess you saw it. :P




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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2014, 12:35:21 PM »

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I meant to say stong. Typo on my part, I was trying to fix it fast so that no one would notice.

But I guess you saw it. :P
Lol ok and I agree as far as the Hyperbolic Time Chamber thing goes I dont actually know but think about if you had been training your ass of since April of last year.I think you would improve greatlyif it was nonstop training.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2014, 12:44:14 PM »

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Lol ok and I agree as far as the Hyperbolic Time Chamber thing goes I dont actually know but think about if you had been training your ass of since April of last year.I think you would improve greatlyif it was nonstop training.

Piccolo only trained in there for one whole earth day..

But I guess that's a year, so..

I would think after the 7 year time gap, he trains a lot and would be atleast as strong as Perfect Cell.

Like I said before, I think he is as strong as SSJ Goku in the Buu Saga, which is stronger than Perfect Cell.

Is SSJ Goku (Buy Saga) stronger than Super Perfect?

If he is, that means Piccolo beats SSJ2 Gohan (Teen) and I dont think Piccolo is that strong.

I think SSJ Goku (Buu Saga) is in between Perfect and Super Perfect and so is Piccolo.

I think Piccolo could of been a match for Debura if Debura didn't spit on him  >:(




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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2014, 12:47:41 PM »

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My thoughts on this are that Piccolo spent those 7 years training Dende, and didn't have all that much time to train himself.

Just my two cents.

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My thoughts on this are that Piccolo spent those 7 years training Dende, and didn't have all that much time to train himself.

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My thoughts on this are that Piccolo spent those 7 years training Dende, and didn't have all that much time to train himself.

Just my two cents.

Thats interesting.

I think he only trained Dende to be a better healer and a new God.

That wouldnt have taken that long, would it?

I still think, even with Kami's influence, Piccolo wouldnt train Dende.

So you put Piccolo around Semi Perfect Cell post Hyperbolic Time Chamber training and post 7 year time gap?




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piccolo most likely was training but when you have no one to fight, spar with....your not getting the best results like vegeta you know he trained non stop in gravity but how much stronger did he get i guess enough to beat puipui but piccolo probably has the strength to defeat full power frieza or perfect cell
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Perhaps he also trained him to raise his power level, so that the dragon would have more power behind the wishes.

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piccolo most likely was training but when you have no one to fight, spar with....your not getting the best results like vegeta you know he trained non stop in gravity but how much stronger did he get i guess enough to beat puipui but piccolo probably has the strength to defeat full power frieza or perfect cell

Piccolo most likely had the power to defeat 100 percent Frieza during the 3 year gap training with Goku and Gohan.

I put Piccolo Between Perfect and Super Perfect Cell, so yeah, I think Piccolo can beat Perfect Cell at the end of DBZ.

Again, to me, Piccolo = SSJ Goku (Buu saga)

Its not plausible that Piccolo has the power of a SSJ2 to me.




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Honestly at the end of Z i am pretty sure Tien is able to beat Freiza

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Honestly at the end of Z i am pretty sure Tien is able to beat Freiza

Tien at the Buu Saga improved dramtically, as his Tri Beam blocked Buutenks's blast, that was going to finish Mystic Gohan.

Tien is defiantly not on par with Buutenks as one kick to the head from Buutenks almost kills Tien.

Tien trains regorusly and hardcore.

I have Tien at the end of Z at Semi Perfect Cell's level.




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Tien at the Buu Saga improved dramtically, as his Tri Beam blocked Buutenks's blast, that was going to finish Mystic Gohan.

Tien is defiantly not on par with Buutenks as one kick to the head from Buutenks almost kills Tien.

Tien trains regorusly and hardcore.

I have Tien at the end of Z at Semi Perfect Cell's level.

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Buutenks lol.......these names

Lol ikr

Anyway, what do you have Piccolo at, at then end of Dragon Ball Z? Look on the first page for tpother opinions if you haven't already.




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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2014, 02:25:59 PM »

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he is around Vegetas level when he fought cell in his 2nd transformation

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2014, 06:26:15 PM »

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Well my opinion is this.
Piccolo is as strong as SSJ2 Gohan at the first buu saga tournament
Cause we all know piccolo was stronger tha SSJ and as powerfull as ASSJ .
Now for the 7 years gap . We all know that piccolo would never stop training, but he actually didnt train a lot, cause if i remember correctly before the last tournament he was training alone and Dende said "that's the good old piccolo" or something like that so...  That's my opinion

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