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Why MMO Combat is what it is.
« on: March 03, 2014, 02:40:21 PM »

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I believe this is a very informative video.

and if you have the time, you should watch it.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 03:05:32 PM »

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I believe this is a very informative video.

and if you have the time, you should watch it.

Lmao, I remember you posting this on group chat.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 03:10:43 PM by Luke[Dumke] »

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 03:10:59 PM »

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Found it again, thought it was worth posting.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2014, 04:48:47 AM »

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Well, Age of Wushu have dif style.
If anyone try it, you know what I want to say here.
It is more balanced combat system.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2014, 05:40:05 PM »

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Don't expect a tekken combat systems in mmo :3

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2014, 07:20:19 PM »
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Ummmm wats that game at 8:30??? I NEED IT!!!!

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 07:27:54 PM »

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Ummmm wats that game at 8:30??? I NEED IT!!!!
The Witcher,great game

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2014, 07:54:00 AM »

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Don't expect a tekken combat systems in mmo :3

Trust me when i am telling you this is way better than Tekken combat :P

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2014, 10:35:15 AM »

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Trust me when i am telling you this is way better than Tekken combat :P




LOL, how is that possible.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 12:41:33 PM »

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Things I learned today:

1. Unpopular games can often be better because smaller server size can lead to more interactive gameplay

2. MMORPG combat will mostly suck until everyone has light speed internet and we work out those quantum computers.

3. As much as I hate Call of Duty and FPS games where the only point is the online mode, it does some important things for gaming.

4. The Elder Scrolls Online was even more of a mistake than I originally thought it was. There are reasons this series should stay single-player.


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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 12:43:52 PM »

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Trust me when i am telling you this is way better than Tekken combat :P



I was a monster at C9 once.
used to play that when i took a break from DBO.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 03:30:46 PM »

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I was a monster at C9 once.
used to play that when i took a break from DBO.

Lol i played it when i had a half year break from DBO until my PC didn't want to work anymore. I was just a lvl 50 assassine and i loved the gameplay. So much combos and stuff you could do. I was just about to learn my infinite combo XD


LOL, how is that possible.

Well don't ask me for exact details, but I guess one of the reasons is the gameplay in instances. It has no open world like other MMORPGs, where you can see other players killing mobs and stuff. The only place you can meet other players at is the city or you do the instances in parties of course. Give it a try if you like a lot of action in gameplay, it's worth it ;)
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 03:32:56 PM »

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Well don't ask me for exact details, but I guess one of the reasons is the gameplay in instances. It has no open world like other MMORPGs, where you can see other players killing mobs and stuff. The only place you can meet other players at is the city or you do the instances in parties of course. Give it a try if you like a lot of action in gameplay, it's worth it ;)

So instead of having an open world, there's just a base hub world from which you take quests?
Reminds of White Knight Chronicles.
Although that was turn-based. Good memories.
Maybe I should look into it a bit.


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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 03:42:02 PM »

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Those types of games are called "Instance based"
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2014, 03:43:41 PM »

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Those types of games are called "Instance based"
The type with a hub world and quests?
I think I have heard that term before, but I'm pretty forgetful.  :P

Still, nice to have a word to put to it.


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Those types of games are called "Instance based"

So how is then with the instance based mmos? Is it the same as shown with Chivalry, action prediction plus a small amount of people?
I mean it is not a small amount of people on one server, only in one instance, and i am guessing they don't use a server for each instance that is running, because that would be kinda ridiculously expensive and probably hard to connect as a functional and efficient network.
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So how is then with the instance based mmos? Is it the same as shown with Chivalry, action prediction plus a small amount of people?
I mean it is not a small amount of people on one server, only in one instance, and i am guessing they don't use a server for each instance that is running, because that would be kinda ridiculously expensive and probably hard to connect as a functional and efficient network.

Well, if WKC was any indication, it's usually a few servers made up of interchangeable "rooms." Each room could hold around 16 players, then 1-6 players could go on quests together. I wouldn't really call it a true MMO, but maybe it was.
You could contact players in the other rooms, though, which was really cool, so it was easy to team up with your friends, rather than needing to be on a specific sever (or god forbid needing a separate character on another server).
But the best thing? Everyone was a team player. Maybe it's because there was no PvP, but everyone was always kind and helpful to everyone else. Veteran players would work side-by-side with everyone else.
There was also an offline story mode, and your characters carried over, which was also nice. Shame story mode couldn't be played online.

But I'm getting off topic.

I don't really know if that's the norm for instance games, but that was WKC in a nut-shell. It was still a grind-fest, go here, farm that type game, but the level of customization was great. I hope DBOR can grab my attention like it did.


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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2014, 04:34:50 PM »

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So how is then with the instance based mmos? Is it the same as shown with Chivalry, action prediction plus a small amount of people?
I mean it is not a small amount of people on one server, only in one instance, and i am guessing they don't use a server for each instance that is running, because that would be kinda ridiculously expensive and probably hard to connect as a functional and efficient network.

Instances are in almost every mmo, it's just that C9, instance based is the main game mechanic.
an instance doesn't need another server per instance, they need nothing more at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instance_dungeon
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Instances are in almost every mmo, it's just that C9, instance based is the main game mechanic.
an instance doesn't need another server per instance, they need nothing more at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instance_dungeon

Quoting from wikipedia:
"Having players participate in instances tends to spread out populations of players, instead of concentrating them, which may reduce or level the workload for both the server and client by limiting the number of potential interactions between players and objects. Because the player characters in the instance do not need to be updated on all the information going on outside the instance, and vice versa for the characters outside the instance, there is an overall decrease in demands on the network, with the net result being less lag for the players."

So basically this is the solution for C9 and other instance based MMOs to realize real time action combat in a way that lag doesn't take too much impact on the gameplay, isn't it?
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2014, 04:55:01 PM »

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Quoting from wikipedia:
"Having players participate in instances tends to spread out populations of players, instead of concentrating them, which may reduce or level the workload for both the server and client by limiting the number of potential interactions between players and objects. Because the player characters in the instance do not need to be updated on all the information going on outside the instance, and vice versa for the characters outside the instance, there is an overall decrease in demands on the network, with the net result being less lag for the players."

So basically this is the solution for C9 and other instance based MMOs to realize real time action combat in a way that lag doesn't take too much impact on the gameplay, isn't it?

Bingo.

Although, it's not very popular to do this.

Unless you do it, like GW2, then it's pretty awesome.

GW2 is an absolutely beautiful game, it's all completely instance based.
Extremely well made also, you don't even feel if it's an instance based game.

C9, I don't believe was a huge funded game, where GW2 had huge funding.



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If you ever went to West city, you would almost never have laggy experience, as that was an instance.
meaning it was completely separate to anything else.
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Unless you do it, like GW2, then it's pretty awesome.

GW2 is an absolutely beautiful game, it's all completely instance based.
Extremely well made also, you don't even feel if it's an instance based game.

C9, I don't believe was a huge funded game, where GW2 had huge funding.

Hm how can I imagine this? (Never played GW 2). Is it like a lot of instances for one place and players are equally distributed to those instances to keep lag at a minimum, kinda like channels?
That's what I experienced on the ESO betas, since a friend of me were in the same area sometimes and we had the same quest progress, but he had to change to my "channel" via teleport.
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Hm how can I imagine this? (Never played GW 2). Is it like a lot of instances for one place and players are equally distributed to those instances to keep lag at a minimum, kinda like channels?
That's what I experienced on the ESO betas, since a friend of me were in the same area sometimes and we had the same quest progress, but he had to change to my "channel" via teleport.
Only lag problem I ever had in WKC2 was I once transformed into my Incorruptus (basically a soul powered giant robot in the form of knight armor), and I immediately reverted as the battle started raging. Then I re-transformed, de-transformed, and re-transformed again.

It was actually kinda funny.


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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2014, 05:09:33 PM »

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Hm how can I imagine this? (Never played GW 2). Is it like a lot of instances for one place and players are equally distributed to those instances to keep lag at a minimum, kinda like channels?
That's what I experienced on the ESO betas, since a friend of me were in the same area sometimes and we had the same quest progress, but he had to change to my "channel" via teleport.

an Instance, is just a place that isn't part of the current world. It's separate.

I.e walking into narnia.

Wardrobe is in your house, Narinia is somewhere else.
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an Instance, is just a place that isn't part of the current world. It's separate.

I.e walking into narnia.

Wardrobe is in your house, Narinia is somewhere else.

That's just about the best explanation ever.

For a game that had such massive environments, it was spectacular how smooth WKC was.
I've heard some people had trouble, but I think that was just their own personal internet. Although, Geo.net (the game's client... I think) was tempermental at times.

I like the idea of an open word too, though.
I've never played an MMO like that, so it's gonna be a unique experience.


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an Instance, is just a place that isn't part of the current world. It's separate.

I.e walking into narnia.

Wardrobe is in your house, Narinia is somewhere else.

So many little narnias, connected via wardrobes creating the whole world :P, instead of one big world.
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