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Crafting and the Economy: Sandbox or Set-rate?
« on: March 02, 2014, 10:39:44 AM »
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As we all know from playing DBO, inflation got pretty crazy at points in the game. For DBO:R to avoid said problems, they would need a huge amount of zeni sinks in the game, which used to be cash items and such. Obviously that system won't exist in the traditional sense as we knew it.

I propose the game is turned into a sandbox economy at some point, meaning:

- All equipment in game can be created from players aside from ingredient drops, and things like Dragon balls or rewards
- Legendary items still drop from big mobs, but no longer in the freeflow manner of before. These are set drops or from completing quests.
- As a combat class you make money early on by collecting resources for the crafting system, while some classes are naturally more proficient with crafting. This gives you the resources to start either crafting for yourself or getting some decent gear sets, at which point you can seek out the good modifiers for your equipment(high level stones)
-Crafting essentially becomes a kind of secondary profession, which can also be modified using stones to make someone an even better artisan, so that there will be master crafters walking around the server with a boss suit for crafting armor or weapons, or both.
The point is for everyone to at one point become self sufficient and then don't have to rely on other players as much, but still profiting greatly if someone wants to do so.

I don't know if anyone played the original Everquest or Star Wars Galaxies, but they both followed this formula and it had crazy awesome results. This game has a way better combat system than either of those games, and it really just needs to complete the circle by making it a sandbox economy, with intervention from the Devs at some points. It would make this game all it was probably intended to be at its inception. You could even implement a feature such as whenever someone uses one of your items, you gain experience, or reward points(like the gold coin thingies in DBO). Small incentives like this would make people WANT to craft instead of being forced to.

It also means someone can still be a hack and slash warrior who constantly fights and lets other people worry about equipment, he just sells or trades the ingredients and components for crafting.

The beauty of a sandbox economy is the game will be driving itself, so the players will always have a goal to shoot for. Couple this with the quest system already in place, or whatever awesome content the dev staff will eventually be completing and giving to us, and you have a killer MMO with a great combat system, quest system, and crafting system, adding to the different ways to play and enjoy the game with small changes in regard to backend components and creating new content by just expanding on what is already there.

TL;DR

DBO should be a total sandbox game with its own economy and a secondary crafting class that will add greatly to the game and fix problems with the in-game economy all in one stroke.

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 10:51:19 AM »

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There's already crafting -_- I don't know what you mean by the rest of the stuff.

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 10:56:26 AM »

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I partially understand what you're getting at..

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 10:58:52 AM »

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Why do I feel like you never played the game?

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 11:00:32 AM »

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Why do I feel like you never played the game?
I feel the same way.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 11:03:12 AM »
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This is taking the game a step up, while simultaneously fixing problems that were inherent within DBO like inflation.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 11:04:37 AM »

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I like your idea, Leonardo.

As for the equipment, I 100% agree with your statement. Having specific bosses drop a set piece of armour (Same stats all the time) is what a lot of successful MMORPGs go for. An example would be World of Warcraft, where you compete in hour long dungeons or raids to get that final piece of equipment (and you are guaranteed to get the best) is a great way to help an individual player survive on their own in terms of Zeni and gear.

As for the crafting system, DBO actually has something similar to what you are saying, if you achieved the necessary items to craft, it let you get some awesome looking stuff, but again, that stats were crap and not worth it.

Definitely worth looking into.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 11:08:23 AM »

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I like your idea, Leonardo.

As for the equipment, I 100% agree with your statement. Having specific bosses drop a set piece of armour (Same stats all the time) is what a lot of successful MMORPGs go for. An example would be World of Warcraft, where you compete in hour long dungeons or raids to get that final piece of equipment (and you are guaranteed to get the best) is a great way to help an individual player survive on their own in terms of Zeni and gear.

As for the crafting system, DBO actually has something similar to what you are saying, if you achieved the necessary items to craft, it let you get some awesome looking stuff, but again, that stats were crap and not worth it.

Definitely worth looking into.
Agree 100% with you, sorry I didnt read the main post(leonardo's post), but its too big :P

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 11:23:06 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 12:02:01 PM »
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I like your idea, Leonardo.

As for the equipment, I 100% agree with your statement. Having specific bosses drop a set piece of armour (Same stats all the time) is what a lot of successful MMORPGs go for. An example would be World of Warcraft, where you compete in hour long dungeons or raids to get that final piece of equipment (and you are guaranteed to get the best) is a great way to help an individual player survive on their own in terms of Zeni and gear.

As for the crafting system, DBO actually has something similar to what you are saying, if you achieved the necessary items to craft, it let you get some awesome looking stuff, but again, that stats were crap and not worth it.

Definitely worth looking into.

Aye, I figure the existing crafting system will make something like this easier, as it can just be expanded upon.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2014, 12:03:45 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2014, 08:12:04 PM »

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i was thinking about best drops comming from strong boss too,maybe from CC 150 one but i dont think CC 150 would be good since you can craft good gear with items you get from it.Crafting should stay the same though

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 09:11:52 PM »

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I like dbo as it was... Drops with different stats were so good and made people different... Everytime need a lot of time to get the perfect gear and stats... So this made dbo cool for me... With same stats drops, gears are the same for everyone... I played aion for a lot of time, and I got the cap and I geared my account in 2 weeks... And 90% people had my same gear... The cool thing of dbo for me was that I needed like 1-2 months to well gear every account, but after that, only 10-15% of players had it... For me, dbo can be 90% like it was... Maybe if are possible, just any balance more in pvp, something about ping (maybe something to set the challengers ping to the same level, for example when 2 players are fighing, if 1 has 200 ping and other has 150, any system to set both to 200! Idk if is possible) and something about the low rated classes (chief,dw etc)! About the world, gear, craft, farm, auction house system, it was cool like it was for me!
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 09:43:56 AM »
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I like dbo as it was... Drops with different stats were so good and made people different... Everytime need a lot of time to get the perfect gear and stats... So this made dbo cool for me... With same stats drops, gears are the same for everyone... I played aion for a lot of time, and I got the cap and I geared my account in 2 weeks... And 90% people had my same gear... The cool thing of dbo for me was that I needed like 1-2 months to well gear every account, but after that, only 10-15% of players had it... For me, dbo can be 90% like it was... Maybe if are possible, just any balance more in pvp, something about ping (maybe something to set the challengers ping to the same level, for example when 2 players are fighing, if 1 has 200 ping and other has 150, any system to set both to 200! Idk if is possible) and something about the low rated classes (chief,dw etc)! About the world, gear, craft, farm, auction house system, it was cool like it was for me!

Items will still have different stats and there will be lots of variations.

You guys aren't really getting it I don't think; the crafting system as is is total turd and you can't make anything of real worth through; I'm proposing we change this to make it far better, and make crafted equipment the best in the game aside from special drops. It keeps the economy moving and adds a whole new layer to the game.

In SWG there was also differing qualities of ingredients, and it also depended on who crafted the item. The better the crafter and the ingredients, the better the end product.

There will be even MORE variation in character and set ups because you can custom craft items. The more valuable the ingredients, the better the items.

Crafting weapons/items will also help take care of inflation and help players make money through every stage of the game. It also allows players to make their own instead of grinding through dungeons for loot to sell to buy things from the AH.