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« on: February 15, 2014, 11:12:58 PM »

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We can make balance with class soo that they can be pvp and pve and yes, one class won't be OP. We just need to delete some skills some skills give to other class and more.
Lets start with MA:
Delete: tunnel slash, energy barrage. Others leave, maybe even delete passive MA skills like increase phys attack and energy attack.
Fighters: Replace passive skill Ki Burst with swiftness. This way fighters would have more dex, more resistance and dodge.
Swordsmans: Remove gravity break and fucused gravity break, Major Speed Up.
Replace Evade Up for fighter swiftness. Swords would have dodge and more dex than before but still not even close to fighters.
Spiritualists:
Give them Lost in Time stun max duration 3-5 sec.
Hypnosis aka Sleep max duration 7-10 sec.
Remove Increase Persisted Damage Time.
Remove all attacks from Double Bleed - Poison Bleed.
Crane:
Remove Fiery Shout(Optional)
Turtle:
No need to touch anything here.

Namek Warriors:
Remove Namek Warriors passive skills.

Shadow Knight:
Remove Big Mouth Energy Wave, Sharp Slice, no need for them.
Replace Hellzone Grenades with Energy Siege - DW skill.

Dark Warrior:
Remove Deep Strike, Sharp Slice replace with SK skill Violent Slice.
This way DW get another stun. Confusion max duration 7-10 sec, it will be hard to use it on geared players with high resistance rate.

Dragon clan:
Remove Increase EP.

Dende and Poko and all others majins:
No need to touch them. Maybe nerf little speed on Karma, %LP recov buff on ultimate and range.

All max range on all class should be 35m, and yes nerf critic and little bleed.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 11:21:49 PM »

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Removing skills isn't balancing lol.
No need to remove an entire skill, since the team can't add/make/animate skills themselves.
Rather just buff or nerf certain skills.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 11:24:29 PM »

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Dodge not greather than hit rate, because MA becoma op def.
MA dammage rate now 10-3 meters range 1 target!!!
MA stun rate now 3 meter!!! Not 10 or 35...

Crane and turtle not receive 35 meter stun and dammage range, because they become op dammage and DEFFENSE with your debuffs.

If spirits give 35 meters dammage range, they receive 1 target or speed.
3-10 meter dammage range should be hit 32 targets, not 1 without stun??? omg

MA NEED DEF OR 35 meters stun rate.
DEF not dodge.
Def= armor, lp, propertise, resistance, heal skills.
dodge not working, because dex5dodge, foc 10 hit rate.
and phisical armor more than energy armor...why?

only 1 dodge working properly. 100% dodge about 3-10 sec buff. Or 100% resistance about 3-10 sec.
MA need skills, not random (passive) dodge
« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 11:28:09 PM by egergely »

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 11:27:13 PM »

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Most people use the skills you want to delete for other reasons, work your build around what you have, don't just kick skills out. It makes builds so easy to make, (like they aren't already)
It's funny how they said they will just change the value of skills and people still want skill deletion or changes
« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 11:28:47 PM by Takaroku »
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2014, 11:34:31 PM »

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I am not saying all skills range 35m, there is SK skills 45m.
Soo max range is 35.

Skills I suggest to delete is that you get more sp to use them in better place, skills. Most of skills I said to delete, no one ever use them.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 12:16:33 AM »

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Remove EP buff from Dragon clan, damn thats bad idea.What would we do in CC without it? think about it :P

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 12:19:10 AM »

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Come on, Poko/Dende have a lot of EP anyway.
No need for that, and this is my suggestion.
All can to post their own, fix it and make it even better.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 12:24:00 AM »
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Replace Hellzone Grenades with Energy Siege - DW skill.
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. That's the best DW skill... you can't give it to SK too >:(
Remove EP buff from Dragon clan, damn thats bad idea.What would we do in CC without it? think about it :P
That skill maxed gives like 500 EP... it's not that good.

Anyway I don't think you have to remove skills just because people don't use them.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 12:25:32 AM »

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Come on, Poko/Dende have a lot of EP anyway.
No need for that, and this is my suggestion.
All can to post their own, fix it and make it even better.

EP buff increase EP of all allies in certain range for XX per sec.If you are in party with fighter or SM in CC and they go KoK/ssj they will lose mana for 1 min, and in CC we know mana can`t regen unless you have EP buff :)

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 12:39:39 AM »
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EP buff increase EP of all allies in certain range for XX per sec.If you are in party with fighter or SM in CC and they go KoK/ssj they will lose mana for 1 min, and in CC we know mana can`t regen unless you have EP buff :)
EP increase is the passive skill from Dragon Clan, which gives 452 EP if maxed. Not the EP healing skill ;D
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 12:47:16 AM »

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EP increase is the passive skill from Dragon Clan, which gives 452 EP if maxed. Not the EP healing skill ;D

ewww i just rememberd that skill, whole time i though EP regen skill :/
Sorry for mistake, but that skill MAYYBE useful on kid budokai since you need as much LP/EP as you can get when you are both full at the end of the round :P

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 02:21:53 AM »
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this is very interesting to be honest removing skills isnt balancing but maybe changing some that skilled players who played the game from the very beginning could help work on
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 02:46:41 AM »

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Hahah crazy Chadek. Yes I post there replace some skills with other skills and
delete skills that no one EVER use them and get more SP and build better.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 02:48:10 AM »

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They had to be used to get to another skill, like the eng KDs MAs use. They are a bridge between skills that you have to cross
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 02:50:58 AM »

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Yes, but that skills don't have big dmg or something to be used at all.
Skills I suggest to be removed are skills that have soo low dmg or skills that someone don't use at all.
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 02:57:12 AM »
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I don't like the idea to delete the skills which are never used....they should stay.
In my opinion we shouldn't touch the skills. The Team could just nerf or increase something on some skills to make a good balance but this should be enough!

For me it was ok to waste a few SP on skills which are not used. That's how MMORPG's work.
(well mostly xD)

There is no perfect build in which all SP are used 100% right. The dmg comes from the eq and not from the build. (i'm sure everyone knows but i needed a ending sentence hahahahaha :D)
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2014, 03:01:54 AM »

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I would rather balance classes with their LP, EP, speed, attack, defense etc then just deleting their skills :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 03:47:46 AM »

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@OP: How can you say you want every class to be changed except turtles with a straight face?

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2014, 04:13:59 AM »

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Well since there will be scouter back and turtles are good with kame and they won't use book in budokai, then no need.
Plus, 7-10 sec sleep is enough and not 13 sec as it use to be.
I was fighter when I fight with them and resistance neck and guard block most of their things like speed and slow down, and yeah fighter critic and turtle was dead. Maybe delete skills isn't ok, but replace skills is. DW need SK stun if you want to make it more PVP and others things I put there.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2014, 04:16:34 AM »

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Well since there will be scouter back and turtles are good with kame and they won't use book in budokai, then no need.
Plus, 7-10 sec sleep is enough and not 13 sec as it use to be.
I was fighter when I fight with them and resistance neck and guard block most of their things like speed and slow down, and yeah fighter critic and turtle was dead. Maybe delete skills isn't ok, but replace skills is. DW need SK stun if you want to make it more PVP and others things I put there.
No need to replace skills or remove them, just make them better. (Unless you want all builds to be the same.)

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2014, 04:53:15 AM »
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No need to replace skills or remove them, just make them better. (Unless you want all builds to be the same.)
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 05:40:15 AM »

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Lmao removing skills = not balancing as few have said already.
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2014, 08:30:09 AM »

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Damn people read and look for skills I said.
DW need SK stun.
Most of "kid" passive skills need to be removed and "kid" skills that no one ever use. If you people can think about it, you would see that is OK what I post there. If you want to be PVP you need stuns, if you want to be PVE you need area attacks. If you people need more def, edit crafted gears that give def. etc etc.
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 08:38:19 AM »

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Damn people read and look for skills I said.
DW need SK stun.
Most of "kid" passive skills need to be removed and "kid" skills that no one ever use. If you people can think about it, you would see that is OK what I post there. If you want to be PVP you need stuns, if you want to be PVE you need area attacks. If you people need more def, edit crafted gears that give def. etc etc.
People do use kid skills though, really cant say everyone doesn't
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 08:43:41 AM »

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Yes mate, but I never said to remove ones that people using, but ones who no one use. This way swordsman, and other class could get more SP to put them on right place.
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