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« on: February 11, 2014, 03:48:15 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2014, 04:02:44 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2014, 10:30:12 PM »

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LOL campers will never die

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2014, 11:06:26 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 11:08:19 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 08:15:26 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2014, 11:29:58 AM »

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Camping is gey but it is legitimate strategy

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2014, 11:43:55 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2014, 11:52:47 AM »

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Camping is a d**k move, but until games start putting in some kind of countermeasure, it's gonna continue.
I wouldn't really call it a strategy though.

Really, they should just give a player a grace period after respawning. Not long, but long enough that they can't get cheap killed immediately after coming back. Just a second or two.

Or something like in Resident Evil 6's Agent Hunt mode, where you start out at a location that's not reachable by the normal players, just the monster players.


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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 07:32:20 PM »

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it is legitimate strategy

Not anymore. If the rules of the games say that "strategy" is considered cheating or is otherwise against the rules, it's not legitimate.

And I take issue with calling it strategy at all, because that implies that it was a well thought out plan requiring some level of intelligence, when in reality campers just google the best camping spots, go there, wait for victims and then act like they're the most skilled player ever.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 07:37:16 PM »

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Not anymore. If the rules of the games say that "strategy" is considered cheating or is otherwise against the rules, it's not legitimate.

And I take issue with calling it strategy at all, because that implies that it was a well thought out plan requiring some level of intelligence, when in reality campers just google the best camping spots, go there, wait for victims and then act like they're the most skilled player ever.

Agreed.
But it'll only change if someone does something about it. Which they won't. Because developers rarely actually listen to the players, FPS developers in particular.


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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2014, 08:05:02 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 08:34:41 AM »

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Agreed.
But it'll only change if someone does something about it. Which they won't. Because developers rarely actually listen to the players, FPS developers in particular.

But this thread is about Microsoft doing something about it...

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 08:38:57 AM »

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But this thread is about Microsoft doing something about it...
Except they won't. They'll claim they did, will do, etc.

After all, this is Microsoft we're talking about.
The company that made a game console that specifically does everything it can to push gamers away.

And the whole thing with Windows Vista... and Windows 8.

Also, it's up to the game developers to fix the problem. Not Microsoft (unless it's a game made by Microsoft).
Something that prevents camping from being overly effective (like the aforementioned grace period).
« Last Edit: April 24, 2014, 08:40:53 AM by Nia »


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 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 08:42:17 AM »

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When did people take ReviewTechUSA seriously

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2014, 08:42:56 AM »

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Except they won't. They'll claim they did, will do, etc.

After all, this is Microsoft we're talking about.
The company that made a game console that specifically does everything it can to push gamers away.

And the whole thing with Windows Vista... and Windows 8.

Also the company who realized their mistakes on both the console and operating system, has shown greater ability to listen to the consumer base and make improvements to their products based on that feedback than they've displayed in the past, all without actually being in a rough financial position, or are you one of those people who don't bother to keep their opinion up to date?

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2014, 08:44:12 AM »

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Also the company who realized their mistakes on both the console and operating system, has shown greater ability to listen to the consumer base and make improvements to their products based on that feedback than they've displayed in the past, all without actually being in a rough financial position, or are you one of those people who don't bother to keep their opinion up to date?

Then how come compatibility mode still doesn't do a damn thing?


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 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2014, 08:45:33 AM »

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When did people take ReviewTechUSA seriously

When people figured out they can watch and enjoy a video without agreeing with all of the opinions of the person who made it. It's not that hard, you should try it sometime.

Then how come compatibility mode still doesn't do a damn thing?

Because "compatibility modes" aren't a realistic feature to have in the first place and rarely works on ANY operating system.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2014, 08:47:35 AM by Jak »

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2014, 08:51:45 AM »

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When people figured out they can watch and enjoy a video without agreeing with all of the opinions of the person who made it. It's not that hard, you should try it sometime.
Sorry for not tolerating fake sources, shame on me.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 08:53:32 AM »

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Because "compatibility modes" aren't a realistic feature to have in the first place and rarely works on ANY operating system.

'Cuz yeah, who'd ever think that it's reasonable for something that came out months before the new operating system to work on it? The reason why it doesn't work is because they don't try to make it work.

And really, Microsoft never owns up to their mistakes.
Remember the whole Red Ring thing with the 360?
They tried blaming it on everything except their own stupidity.

I know that most companies are like this, it's not just Microsoft.
For that matter, I vastly prefer Windows to the Mac OS (what is it called? I can't remember...).

But it's irritating when something like Baldur's Gate, a game from the late 90s runs on Windows 7, but I need a patch to play a 2012 re-release of Fallout 3.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want compatibility mode to actually do something.


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 I have created over a thousand blades
 Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life
 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
 Yet, those hands will never hold anything
 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2014, 09:02:31 AM »

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Sorry for not tolerating fake sources, shame on me.

Fake sources huh. Every news outlet uses fake sources occasionally so have fun with that.

'Cuz yeah, who'd ever think that it's reasonable for something that came out months before the new operating system to work on it? The reason why it doesn't work is because they don't try to make it work.

And really, Microsoft never owns up to their mistakes.
Remember the whole Red Ring thing with the 360?
They tried blaming it on everything except their own stupidity.

I know that most companies are like this, it's not just Microsoft.
For that matter, I vastly prefer Windows to the Mac OS (what is it called? I can't remember...).

But it's irritating when something like Baldur's Gate, a game from the late 90s runs on Windows 7, but I need a patch to play a 2012 re-release of Fallout 3.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want compatibility mode to actually do something.

Cuz yeah, who'd ever think that the creators of a program are responsible for making it work on an Operating System instead of the OS devs, and that compatibility modes of older operating systems that are fundamentally different under then hood is an unreasonable feature.

Why doesn't my N64 play NES games  >:(

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2014, 09:07:06 AM »

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Fake sources huh. Every news outlet uses fake sources occasionally so have fun with that.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2014, 09:08:14 AM »

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Two wrongs don't make a right.


But 3 rights make a left.

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2014, 09:11:05 AM »

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Why doesn't my N64 play NES games  >:(

They have tons of old games released on newer consoles. That's new hardware emulating the previous hardware.
Hell, I can play PS1 and PSP games on my Vita.

Is it so hard to make Windows emulate Windows?

But the thing is, Windows is software, not hardware anyway. The basic elements are still there.
Stuff like Fallout 3 runs (sometimes) with a patch. But the patch shouldn't be necessary. There is absolutely no reason why such a recent game shouldn't be compatible with Windows 7. It does that because Microsoft didn't pay attention.

And let's not forget that Longhorn, a truly magnificent ideal, was scrapped for the half-assed Vista just so Microsoft could make a quick buck. Vista was so incompatible that things developed for the operating system itself didn't work.

I could understand a simple oversight. I can understand a mistake. But this is sheer simple-minded foolishness. If they really paid attention to the complaints, would they ignore the fact that everyone hates Windows 8? Would they ignore the fact that these operating systems just don't do what they should? Of course not.

Also, Bill O'Reilly is a buffoon.


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 I have created over a thousand blades
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 Have withstood pain to create many weapons
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 So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works."

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2014, 09:12:19 AM »

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Also, Bill O'Reilly is a buffoon.
That's the joke.