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Introductions and Goodbyes / Re: Returning
« on: May 20, 2018, 05:41:19 AM »
Nice to see a friendly face!  I don't remember you, but then again it's been so long that my memories aren't the clearest in terms of the less active members of old XD.

Speaking of Discord, MarineCorps is still running strong in our own Discord server if you would be interested in chilling out there.  There's a few oddball members, but a good amount of DBOR members are there.  It's pretty much just a chill chat right now, though we do fun monthly events just based on random stuff. XD

Regardless, cool to see more action here!

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:09:52 AM »
It's not like I want it to end. I like the arc, but it's taking too long. Every episode lasts about a minute, and the fight lasts for like 45 minutes total!

Isn't that what DBZ has always done?

I will say I've felt this arc has been...somewhat disappointing so far?   It's hard to say, but for some reason the tournament itself has felt somewhat lackluster.  I can't quite put my finger on how exactly it's not working well off of its buildup, but it just seems too basic.  Again, not sure why.

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: August 23, 2017, 01:36:05 AM »
So, I could just simply comment on where Super is now, but I feel like being an absolute fanboy and commenting on details on the new form seem interesting to start with.

I feel what stood out to me right away was the eyes.  They're very feral, very reminiscent of SSJ4.  Actually, a lot of this form is reminiscent of SSJ4, including going back to the standard hair color of the Saiyans, the build, and the feral eyes as mentioned per earlier.  Obviously there's a lot of differences, but I can't help but wonder if it will be a somewhat similar concept: perhaps this version of Goku will be even more out of control and wild than the rest.

I kinda want to wait until the arc is over to give my full thoughts on it, but so far the arc has been promising to say the least.  My biggest problems so far is that at this point the series has lost all care whatsoever about powerlevels and power scaling and has just gone full blown nuts.  While I don't mind this necessarily (and powerlevels have been tossed out awhile back), we're having things like Krillin being able to take on SSJB Goku for a brief period, or Android #17 being as strong as Goku, or...things like this.

I don't mind most of the changes, but I feel like they're starting to go the manga route of "any kind of naughtyword goes", which is a little concerning.  However, I'm going to focus on being open minded until the arc ends since this might not continue down the path of no return. 

Overall it's rather enjoyable.  Some of the traced images are really obvious, but copying Toriyama's style isn't exactly what I would call easy I've been trying on and off for years and still can't do it

I feel it's worth mentioning that I like that not only did this spinoff create an entire new character, but a rather interesting one.  Tapole is a well crafted and well executed character, and is an interesting take on a more peaceful yet still fierce Saiyan.  It gets my seal of approval for sure.

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: July 02, 2017, 04:14:36 PM »
I wouldn't base it off the "less muscular" thing, since everyone is scrawnier in general in DBS, but it might be a new form just the same. There's a part during the current opening where he uses the Blue Kaioken, and then for some reason is back to his 'normal' form after jumping out of his own aura.
Either that or it's just for dramatic effect and we're just plain derpy.  :derp:

There has been a lot of hinting lately towards a new form of some sort, with Gohan stating he's not gonna go for SSJB but try to find something "new", the strange red aura used in the opening theme, etc.  There's also been a surprising lack of SSJ use lately, with a lot of characters using base forms far more often, so the new form having something to do with their normal look seems possible.  I'm more curious about if this "new form" DOES exist, how they're gonna reveal it in this 48 minute battle royal (although I suspect it will go beyond the 48 minutes due to the Zenos being like "Awww, we want more!!!!").

Off Topic / Re: The Nintendo Switch
« on: June 13, 2017, 03:44:39 AM »
It's a console Shyruni stop crying . No one complains about the ps4 and xb1 which started off higher than the switch . It sounds like a personal problem when it comes to the price . I mean I also don't have the money to just go buy a switch or any other console for that matter .
As far as paying for online , it's been shown that to have good online it requires some money . No sense complaining about it .

Not sure how bringing up some concerns constitutes as "crying".  I mean, I am planning on buying the system; those are just things I wish that could be addressed, not things that "I HATE THE CONSOLE BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH".  The price concern is mostly with the potential goal in mind of the Switch removing the 3ds eventually, which will probably get addressed.  As for the online, I wouldn't mind so much if the online wasn't already free for use, and we're just gonna be forced to pay later.  It's not an awful price, and everyone else is doing it, I just don't necessarily think it needed to be like that.  But hey, that's just my opinion.

Off Topic / Re: The Nintendo Switch
« on: June 11, 2017, 02:24:46 PM »
So, after having some firsthand experience with the console (aka a friend's house)...

Overall, the console isn't bad and achieves what it wants to.  It's a portable console that is fairly easy to bring around and "switches" between tv and portable pretty seamlessly.  Interface-wise there's not much unique about the system compared to others, but it does the job.  The joycons work...surprisingly well.  They looked so small and strange that I thought they were awful, but honestly?  They fit nicely in the hands despite how light they feel and still give good control.

Right now, I have a few major concerns.  One is the price, as $300, while understandable is still a LOT of money for any sort of portable.  I'm much more comfortable bringing a $150 3ds on a car trip than a $300 dollar Switch.  The other is the online service, which so far Nintendo has yet to give any good reason for adding a price tag to it, at least as far as I'm aware of.   Other than that though, the console on the whole seems pretty decent. 

Anime / Re: Favourite Anime Moments
« on: May 13, 2017, 05:53:47 PM »
This post literally just took me 2 1/2 hours to put together. I hadn't realized how much time went by til I looked at my clock, as it was a very enjoyable experience reliving the most amazing scenes in anime history. I fully expect everyone of you to watch every single thing I have posted because it took me so much time and effort ^^;

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni
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Death Note
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Dangit, you got almost all of the good Death Note moments.  Though the whole funeral episode could be considered awesome, they did such a great job with that one.

Death Note


This might just be for me personally, but I love this moment.  It's one of the few times L ever smiles n the entirety of the franchise, and as cheesy as the line is, I can't help but love the moment.

Another great moment, the first time Light meets L.  It's the first time you see Light legitimately freak out in the entire franchise, and the intensity is real.  L makes his first big dangerous move, and from here on out the battle begins. 

Fiction / Re: Power Levels and You
« on: May 13, 2017, 05:52:56 PM »
Alright, so today I'm going to try to do a necromantic ritual on this dead site, trigger @Nia's PTSD, and talk about something I've probably made it clear I hate in the past: POWAR LEVULZ. No, not literal power levels from Dragon Ball, but how strong characters are in an abstract sense.

See, I've discussed the issue with power and narrative before with friends, but the gears in my head started turning with respect to this particularly subject because over the last week I watched an anime played a game called Asura's Wrath. While I could ramble on for a bit about how much I loved it, I'm gonna cut straight to the chase. I feel like it didn't really sink in when I was actually playing it because I was too caught up in the game to notice or care half the time, but man, this game was ridiculous. I feel like the developers set out to make a game that would make Dragon Ball look underwhelming compared to the sheer spectacle of it, and if that actually was their goal, I think they succeeded.

By the endgame, there's more or less (I don't wanna start a Big Internet Fight™ over this, so let's not turn this into a "who's stronger" discussion) the same level of absurdity that we're seeing in Dragon Ball Super with stuff like the universe-punching and galaxy-dwarfing dragons, and other things I've probably said before drive me up the wall. Things I don't like because of their presentation. In the past I've talked with friends and we've kinda come to the conclusion that you need some sort of creative or broken powers that create a visual spectacle to make that level of strength "fun", but I had that notion challenged by what I played, and I don't think I really agree with that conclusion anymore, because the game didn't have any "broken" powers -- just a lot of punching.

My personal perspective when it comes to power levels has always been that the level of strength in the setting is just a backdrop for the plot. Certain plots and certain visual elements aren't possible if characters are below a certain threshold of strength, so going past a threshold of strength can open a series up to that. For instance, the trope where characters just "disappear" during fights wouldn't be possible if characters didn't have a significant degree of super speed, and the spectacle of the Death Star destroying Alderaan wouldn't be possible without a planet-destroying laser. I have some more to say on the subject, but I mostly want to see what other people have to say about the subject first.

Basically, I just want to get some thoughts here. Does a character's or characters' strength affect your enjoyment of a series, and how do you think strength affects -- or should affect -- the narrative of a series? When is something ridiculous fun and when is it just plain stupid?

For me, I pretty much agree with the whole background thing you mentioned.  Every series has certain degrees of power and capability for the majority of the world it exists in, what's considered "normal".   For example, Dragon Ball is a series about martial artists, which can just become "stronger" in all regards (except intellect) simply through training or other means.  Therefore, in comparison to something like Street Fighter, where technique is more of the focus and you have more standard bodily limits, any DBZ character would pretty much own more Street Fighter characters.  But you won't necessarily notice it in DBZ because the high power standards are so normal, because in their universe most of the main cast is overpowered.

Of course eventually you need to raise the bar of the "strongest", because that's how you make an intimidating villain.  If the main bad guy is just as strong as the main cast, is there really gonna be much fear?  You need to widen the gap, make this threat something intimidating. 

This is where things get tricky, because it's when you change the power limit that problems can occur.  The first is when you make the villain a bit TOO far ahead, using DBZ GT as an example.  When Baby was revealed as a villain, it was pretty obvious that his power was incredible...fact was, it was so incredible that according to the show's standards, there should have been no way for the main characters to win.  With his insane regeneration and possessionish powers, the fact that Goku was able to beat him at all, even with SSJ4, just felt so fake to me.  When a villain or threat goes too far beyond the bar in a way that the show is not capable of dealing with, what often happens is naughtyword writing and plotholes that are created to somehow explain how the heck the main heroes beat the threat. 

But this isn't just for threats, it can be a problem with the main cast as well.  In DBS, Goku and Vegeta have so far outclassed the rest of the main cast (outside of Beerus and Whis) as well as the world around them that it just seems dumb.   

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: A reformed Goku Black
« on: April 02, 2017, 01:55:14 AM »
Well.. during my time roleplaying as Goku Black, in which he reformed himself to not hate mortals any longer (well... to the point where eradication isn't required), I started to wonder how different would DBS become if Goku Black managed to become good in our sense. Tell us what your thoughts are if such a thing happened.

Ironically, this possibility would probably have been the best solution for Gowasu's universe.  Even if Zamasu managed to get his head on straight and accept the reality of mortals, he still likely would have held himself and his own universe to a high standard, which would benefit the universe greatly.  Even though Gowasu's a good guy, he's kiiiiiinda like Supreme Kai where he's somewhat of a weakling coward who does not seem capable of a whole lot.  Zamasu would likely be a much better Kaioshin as a whole without the whole "NINGEN MUST DIE" thing.

Introductions and Goodbyes / Re: Hello
« on: March 31, 2017, 08:49:33 AM »
Guys...this was like...posted in January.  Someone necro'd it XD

Off Topic / Re: Play NieR:Automata if you want to cry
« on: March 26, 2017, 11:28:07 PM »
Persona 5 tho.

Guild Recruitment / Promotion / Re: MarineCorps recruiting!
« on: March 09, 2017, 04:41:50 PM »
Hey everybody, whatsup?

So, I know this is sort of weird timing since DBOR is pretty quiet on the whole right now, but MarineCorps is still recruiting new members.  I know it might not seem like there's much point to guilds right now, but MC is not inactive whatsoever, and we'd be happy to have more members join us.  We have a fairly active Discord, and tend to play various games and such together.  We do still plan on being a guild in DBOR as well (despite claims that it will never happen), so feel free to join in our ranks as well for that.  Just thought I'd leave the offer out there, PM me or comment if anyone has interest.  Thankya bros, have a good day.


Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: March 03, 2017, 02:59:10 AM »
It's more of how a society fits together (again, a theory). if its good then that universe has a higher rating and if its bad a lower rating. If we were talking about strength, the grand priest said that Gohan and Basil were basically the lowest rated mortals in this room. Hercule is in this room too. HERCULE. (Unless you are a Satanist who believes that Hercule beat cell). I think that is a bit weird. It is very confusing, but we will have to wait until further explanations...

My biggest problem with this theory is a similar problem I have with a lot of doesn't sound right.  Not because it feels faulty in logic, but because it doesn't sound like the author.  To me, the concept of Zeno blowing up universes because it only wants strong entertainment is much more along the lines of Toriyama's thinking than "proper society".  It feels like trying to bring a lot of sense and logic to an author that makes poop jokes. 

What has stood out in Super in general is honestly how strange and sort of fricked up everything is, specifically Zeno.  The strongest known God in all Universes is a playful child that plays space chess with real planets, killing millions of lives for fun.  He doesn't care about the use of weapons in the exhibition match or if fighters die simply because of entertainment value.  In a lot of ways, as Beerus said, Zeno is similar to Goku.  The idea of Zeno caring about "society" and "the balance of the universe" makes little sense as Zeno has cared so little about that stuff in the first place.  Heck, Zeno seems to care less about balance and order than BEERUS does.  BEERUS.  The idea of Zeno destroying universes because they are weak and not entertaining?  That makes a lot more sense to me from looking at Zeno as a character.

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: March 02, 2017, 01:17:09 AM »
I think that the mortal rating they are talking about isn't about strength, but more about culture, government and good and evil. If it was based on strength, why didnt Zen-oh let the top tier universes fight then, that would be much more fun to watch i reckon. The reason universe 7's mortal rate is so low, is probably because of Frieza. He literally owned most of the universe (bit exaggerated maybe) and he terrorized tons of planets. He turned a lot of people evil and because of that the mortal rating is so low. Also, The current supreme kai is very unexperienced and Beerus is sleeping most of the time. so this universe isnt being governed very well.

If you look at the Kaioshin and Hakaishin of universe 9, you see that they dont "govern" really well... The kai is a psycho and the God of Destruction is very indicisive. The Furry Bros are also pretty crazy... That is my theory about the mortal rating. Not based on strength and power, but evilness and culture and stuff.

I can see that, but I'm still not so sure about that.  Keep in mind in Beerus complains to Supreme Kai about his method of letting planets obtain their own strength and ending up weak.  Also, Zeno is not what I would exactly call a wise or even necessarily "good" deity.  Unlike the Gods of Destruction who blow stuff up because it's their duty, Zeno just does it for funsies, and, like Goku, seems more interested in being entertained and having fun than keeping everything balanced and safe.  If I remember correctly, it's also mentioned that the exhibition match is between the two "weakest" universes, but I could be remembering that incorrectly.

As for why the low tier universes were involved, it's because people like Goku exist.  Despite coming from a universe that overall has fairly low power levels in general, you have Goku, who has a power level that is starting to get close to rivaling the Gods themselves.  It's been proven that even the low tier universes can have some amazing fighters. 

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: March 01, 2017, 02:06:48 PM »

Zamasu was right after all

(Also, hey, i'm back)

Got a good laugh out of that one, haha.

Also, based on what we've seen. Goku might have to carry all the Universe 7 fighters (who will probably be powerless except maybe Vegeta) in order for them to achieve victory, based on Toriyama's tendencies. I really hope this is not the case. I wish everyone gets to stand out. Some will lose, some will win but they'll stand out, eventually getting eliminated in the tournament and leaving the finals to Goku or something among those lines.

It's hard to say, as in many ways Super has been very Toriyama while at the same time being very NOT Toriyama.  Gohan had been thrown into the whole "he's a scholar now" category by Toriyama so much that I expected the last episode to be Gohan getting his ass instantly handed to him as a joke.  And yet for once, Toriyama actually did something the fans asked for: made Gohan a serious fighter again.  That's something Toriyama usually HATES doing, and from the sounds of it, Gohan's going to keep up the good pace.

Let's keep in mind that while Goku and Vegeta have always held a spotlight, other characters have had many opportunities to shine since Z.  Heck, in the Champa saga, while Goku and Vegeta did most of the work, Piccolo actually did quite decently and likely would have won had his opponent not been cheating.

Let's also keep in mind that while Universe 7 is the second lowest on the power scale, it's based on the average mortal.  While other Universes have higher averages, that doesn't mean the lower averages might have individual fighters that top theirs.  We also know very little about the actual tournament that's going to take place, bar the results of victory.  It could be a straight up tournament bracket, or something completely new, it's hard to tell.

To sum it up, I'm actually expecting things to be different this time around.  I'm sure Goku and Vegeta are going to be the main two, but I don't think the others are just going to be cannon fodder either. 

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: February 23, 2017, 09:10:58 AM »
This is sort of related to dragon ball Super but it's interesting either way . Why do studios even animate it badly in the first place if they're just going to fix it in the blur at version . Though I guess it could also be said , why try your hardest when you're going to fiddle with it in the blu ray one .

Edit : I fixed the link

In Super's case specifically, while I don't think it necessarily excuses some of the terrible early animation, time constraints.  When you've got a more limited schedule, such as a once a week release, I'm guessing there's quite a bit more pressure in terms of getting things out on time. 

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: February 16, 2017, 03:43:02 AM »

I think this is a pretty good take on this topic.

And besides, look what our lord and savior Zamasu has to say on the subject.

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: February 15, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
naahh. At this point we just go with it. After all they have success at milking money with this crap...even if they sometimes ignore the past. So lean back and endure it xD  :vomit:  :'(  :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

at the end we will be like this --->  :yamcha:

no but honestly now. Goku really reached a new level of stupidity. Bills is talking about Universes getting destroyed if you lose and Goku just says that he only has to win. Sure buddy. You the hero. Don't even bother thinking about all the life that's going to get killed when you win. Not your problem. Also i'm dead sure that if those universes get destroyed, Goku will end up in hell xD

Honestly, it makes sense considering Goku's character.  He's always been a battle mongerer without a solid idea of the consequences of his actions.  Goku has never had a good sense of what makes a particular situation more dire than another, so his attitude is finally catching up with him.  Now he's made  a terrible mistake, one that even he somewhat understands.  Of course, this is based more off of the manga (and what Nia would argue the real Goku's character) than the "hero" character of the English dub. 

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: February 07, 2017, 03:19:47 AM »
Episode 77 Woooooooo!
Start with the main points.
Finally! We start to see the Goku that Toriyama was visualising, instead of the Superman that we've been getting. Beerus acknowledges that the naivety of Zeno is very dangerous, and Goku's similar to it. Hell, he says he MIGHT have made a mistake in sparing him and almost uses his 'Hakai' Button on him.
And Vegeta's development in this!  :r_love: :r_love: :r_love:
He's gradually taking my favourite character's place (Which is Vegito). Staying behind to see Bulla born instead of trying to train with Goku and Whis is like 1000+ points in my book. From being a prideful warrior who only cares about power, to becoming an actual father.

Now for some side points!
Goten actually got some character development in this episode. He's getting some actual Father-Son bonding and this episode somewhat shows that he's becoming an actual character instead of a mini-Goku or a fusee for Trunks.

Opening was pretty great aswell (I still like Chouzetsu Dynamic more though) Got some hints of the others characters aswell.

And to leave this quote here from Zamasu.
'Listen, Son Goku. You are the personification of the failure of the Gods who have created this Universe!'

I just finally watched it, and yeah, I basically agree with everything you said. 

What I find interesting is that the concept of Goku becoming "dangerous" is something that I don't think is going to go away.  Even in the next episode we have glimpses of Beerus being heavily concerned with Goku's actions.  The comparison to Zeno is also interesting, and I'm curious to see where the plot is going to go with that.

Also, HOLY FRICK VEGETA IS BECOMING A RESPONSIBLE PARENT.  Like, he's been heading that direction for awhile, but wow this was a surprise.  Keep it up man!

Also, I know this was somewhat covered before, but can we talk about the universe 7 roster?  We've got a very interesting list this time around, and I'm curious how it's going to work.  The two that most stand out to me are Master Roshi and Android #17.  Android #17 hasn't made an appearance since a short cameo in  the Buu saga during the Spirit Bomb (and GT, but we don't speak of that here).  It'll be interesting to see what he's been up to, and how he gets in the tournament.

And while Roshi was shown in action in the RoF movie, he has not been seriously involved in a tournament since the days of original Dragon Ball!  And this time, he's not going as Jackie Chun, at least, not from the looks of it.  In a tournament where I suspect there's going to be a lot at stake (you know, Universal SURVIVAL arc), I'm curious if Roshi's gonna have some improving to do, or if he's going to perform in his current state. 

I was kinda hoping Mr. Satan would get thrown in out of some misunderstanding of him being Earth's "hero", but I suppose doing without that gag for once is not necessarily a bad thing.  Also, can we talk about how neither Goten OR Trunks seem to be involved?  On one hand they are just kids, but realistically they're still stronger than quite a few characters on this roster, so I'm curious as to why that is. 

Either way, definitely looking forward to this.  It should be interesting.

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Yeah... so we have a female Broly.
« on: January 27, 2017, 01:51:10 AM »
On one hand this does seem like an odd move and I'm not sure where they're going with this.

On the other, Broly with tits.

So, on the whole, I guess I'm interested XD

Dragonball General Discussion / Re: Dragon Ball Super
« on: January 23, 2017, 08:08:11 AM »
Honestly, these 'slice of life' episodes are too good.

Agreed, it was super (no pun intended) nice to see Krillin back in action again.  I often forget the whole thing in Dragon Ball where "if you don't keep up intensive training, you end up regressing in strength".  It has been noted before that it's the reason Gohan wasn't completely up to snuff in the Buu saga, but it was interesting to see regression to the degree where bullets can actually hurt you. 

It was also good to hear some actual wisdom and caring words from Roshi, who has been a joke character for a while at this point.  Overall, a very enjoyable episode.


I'm more of a manga person, so when it comes to the old Dragon Ball subs and dubs, I don't really have an opinion.  I have yet to see the DBS dub, but overall the sub is pretty solid.  Of course, we're technically getting two English dubs, so I think a better question would be "Sub, Dub, or Dub".   As long as the Funi dub has the same voice quality as the movies had, I shouldn't mind, not sure which I would prefer tho.

Anime / Re: Best fight in dragon ball super
« on: January 20, 2017, 01:27:23 AM »

Gotta go with the Zamasu vs Z-Fighters.   As good at the fight against Hit was in the Tournament Arc (and we will not discuss the other two arcs), it has been awhile since I've seen a villain in Dragon Ball as enjoyable as "melodramatic as hell" Zamasu.  Not only were the fights some of the best animated Super has done thus far, the dialogue was fantastic and enjoyable.  It was also great to have Trunks back in the mix, and not just as a side character who gets completely outclassed by Goku and Vegeta. 

Introductions and Goodbyes / Re: Hello there!
« on: December 25, 2016, 06:28:26 AM »
Always glad to see a newcomer, that's rare these days.  Enjoy your time here, and I hope you stay awhile!


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