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I think it's a little bit of yes and no.Let's be honest here... the majority of the series has always been "stuff goes bad, Goku beats everyone." Sure, the others had their moments, but it usually ended with Goku arriving at the last moment, and getting the crap beat out of him, doing something cool, and beating the bad guy.Sure, there were moments like Kuririn using Goku's Genki-dama, and even the occasion where Gohan actually ended the fight, but even in the original Dragon Ball, it usually came down to Goku. Even what I imagine is Kiyza's favorite arc (the Piccolo Daimao storyline), in the end, none of the other characters even remotely could match Goku.
When Z rolled around, the others became more and more regulated to being side characters. They still got to do their thing once in a while, but by the end, it was mostly about Goku and Vegeta. A character would usually beat the pants off an enemy, then it was revealed "THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!" and things would reverse.
As for DBS? ...I'll admit, so far it seems to be falling a bit short of my expectations. While most of the humor is top-notch, it feels like it's already lost that "family" vibe the first few episodes had. We know in the end, it's gonna be Goku and Vegeta that always pull the victory out of their asses (hell, even the one time Gohan finished off the villain, it's only because Goku told him to, and Vegeta gave him an opening to do so).Hopefully it'll pick up with the Golden Freeza arc. Even if the other characters are regulated to fighting the minions, that's kinda what they always were doing. And I appreciate that much, at least, especially when they tell Yamcha and Chaozu to stay out of things, but here's derpy old Kame'senin.
As for if Goku surpasses Beerus and Whis? Considering that the series always pulled stronger villains out of nowhere, I'm sure he wouldn't remain the strongest for long.Either that, or he and Vegeta would go cause a supernova, likely killing both of them (I feel like I'm referencing something there).
Clearly not he got the shit beaten out of him by beerus XD
Goku is the main Protagonist, it's normal for the main protagonist to have the most shine in a anime|Tv Show
Dont forget about the dangalang. Lmao I miss these videos. Dude was funny as hell wish he kept making more
I know I shouldn't make this terrible joke but...>inb4 Goku surpasses Beerus and Whis, and then Super Gods start showing up.
Hence the name of the series?
Alright DBOR, I’m coming at you with another of my meta serious business discussion questions.I mean, let’s take this in abstract. Dragon Ball is, at its crux, a story about progression, growth, and improving yourself. But at what point does that go too far? Can it go too far?Let me be clear when I say that I’m not talking about how characters can destroy planets with energy attacks (though you could certainly make a case for that, I don’t think that’s an issue, though I’d like to leave it open for discussion if anyone wants to touch on it). I’m talking about whether or not Goku’s power in particular (and Vegeta’s, come to think of it -- everyone else has kind of been shafted, delegated to fighting mooks with Kame-Sennin in Resurrection ‘F’) has reached the point, or soon will, where you can’t really go any further up. Dragon Ball, as a series, relies on the fact that there’s always some greater challenge for the characters in it. There’s always someone better than you and you have to surpass them. Some members of the main cast have surpassed the gods themselves, barring two characters -- Beerus and Whis. It was only a third of the way through the series that the gods started being established as weaker than the protagonists, so this is nothing new, but it begs the question of where exactly we’re going to get new villains from that don’t feel like repeats of the old. We’ve done martial artists, demons, aliens, cyborgs, genetic engineering, and magical entities, and we seem to have hit the absolute threshold of power with a God of Destruction and his superior. If Goku ever surpasses Beerus or Whis, then what challenge is left? Doesn’t it get rid of the point of the series if Goku ever becomes the strongest?On the same note, it’s obvious that with their Super Cyan forms, Goku and Vegeta are head and shoulders above the rest of the series’ cast. Bringing others up to their level through some popo power-up is always possible, but that might do more harm than good in some people’s eyes. This is the type of series where characters that can’t keep up strength-wise tend to stagnate and disappear into obscurity, or be delegated to a supporting role. I, personally, don’t think that the series can survive if it becomes the Goku and Vegeta show. Dragon Ball’s supporting cast has always been one of its strongest selling points, and two characters hogging the spotlight might be fine for a movie, but we have a weekly series now. At the moment, I think we’re all on a high note because a lot of us simply haven’t had to wait for a constant influx of new content out of the series, but what happens when that high wears off? Focusing on Goku and Vegeta too much was arguably one of the worst things about GT, and while I know that fans aren’t going to want me to compare Super to it, I ask you to consider the possibility that it could end up that way.The question is simple: did Goku become too strong? Will he become too strong? Share your thoughts.
The best way I can see Super going at this point is to have Vegeta and Goku gone for a long period of time, while the others have to deal with a threat without the assistance of their trump card, which could be a very interesting situation. Without Goku and Vegeta to call on, what will our heroes do? However, I REALLY doubt that's the direction they'll take, so I don't know. Right now, I'm just letting the series run it's course, and will make more concrete judgements as we go further along.
Exactly. I am happy to see that i am not the only one thinking the same way. If something like this happens , which as we know in RoF Goku and Vegeta DO leave the Earth many times to train with Whis. It can be not only a time for the Z fighters to shine , but a turning point in DBS and generally Dragon Ball as a whole. Maybe the characters won't get a decent boost or maybe the boost they get won't be enough to be noticed but this would be a great plot and great moment.As far as the power of the gods goes , i would like to actually have them not surpass Beerus's and Whis's power. I mean as far as the rest of the cast in DBS goes they are already "broken" , and i wouldn't like to see another Superman that can't be beaten by literally anyone , i mean common.Also , Also , not to forget. Actually maybe it has already pointed out but i don't know. Why Gohan can turn SSJ? I thought that he couldn't do that by the time he achieved Mystic from Kai. Maybe @Nia can enlighten me on this one, because imo if Gohan has the power of Mystic and CAN turn SSJ , doesn't that make him power wise more powerful that SSJ3? . I don't know if this is the right place to ask a question like this , but the whole power thread made me think about it.
isn't that the joke of the series/constant?
As far as the power of the gods goes , i would like to actually have them not surpass Beerus's and Whis's power. I mean as far as the rest of the cast in DBS goes they are already "broken" , and i wouldn't like to see another Superman that can't be beaten by literally anyone , i mean common.
We just need Super Cyan 5 to be introduced and we all gud.
This actually does seem like a really good idea -- just writing Goku and Vegeta out of the story. Of course, I'm sure that would probably just leave us with having to sort through the power of the characters that are left without them, and we'd get some stragglers anyway, but I feel like more could be done with this concept. Goku did tend to get written out of the series pretty often. Maybe we could have the two of them popo off to a different universe while something threatens the Earth in the current one? Could be neat, and it would give me better expectations for the series.
Not only this, but there's already opportunity for this. RoF mentions that Vegeta and Goku have trained at Beerus's place for some time before RoF, and it has been shown that communication between there and Earth is complicated at best. It wouldn't be completely out of the question for something to happen and they're unable to contact either of them. Another possibility would be like in the DBO timeline, the two disappear, supposedly finishing their dispute once and for all, and are never seen again. Or they could have both of them die again and actually STAY dead for once. There's plenty of ways in which this would work.The obvious possibilities of what this could mean is that Gohan and Piccolo become much stronger, but this would also be a great time for Pan to come in. Granted it would have to be after RoF when this happens, but it would be an excellent way of bringing her in. Also it could drive Tenshinhan to reach interesting heights. An even more interesting idea (at least to me) would be for Krillin's wife Android 18 to become in serious danger, and to see how far he's willing to go for her, being as weak as he is.But this is all speculation, and honestly I doubt any of these ideas will happen. Even in the original DBZ Manga, Toriyama clearly has a soft spot in his heart for Goku, so the chances of the focus of the series shifting is unlikely. More likely than not, we will have another GT (though chances are it will still be better than GT).